Fw: [Chrysler300] Re: AUXILLARY FUEL PUMP

[Ronald Kurtz <mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi, Ryan:

Call me a shade trade mechanic (or anything else) if you will. When things 
didn't quite look right on the dipstick (diluted oil), I held a lighted match 
under the tip. If it burned it was time to check the carburater (especially for 
deteriorated gaskets) or replace the fuel pump. If it didn't burn, it was time 
to run the car under rainy or very humid conditions at night (when the dew point 
was close to ambient temperature). Excessive white plumes from the 
exhaust indicated a head gasket leak of the coolant into the combustion 
chamber.  


By no means a rocket science, however it fascinated customers at the gas station 
some 50 years ago, with a high level of accuracy.

Best,
Ron Kurtz
E #292





 




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From: Ryan Hill <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx; rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, October 14, 2011 6:41:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Re: AUXILLARY FUEL PUMP


I realize most of us have driven thousands and thousands of miles without any of 
these things occurring, however.....they do happen. 


I wouldn't be as fearful of the fuel igniting inside the engine as some of the 
other possibilities. I would think the biggest risk in allowing relatively small 
levels of any fluid into the engine would be the wear that could occur very 
rapidly when oil is no longer able to provide the lubrication required by many 
of the moving parts (especially bearings) in the engine. It's feasible that in a 
relatively short time, enough fluid volume could enter the engine to cause it to 
hydraulic, causing severe damage to the rods and crankshaft. Fluids don't 
compress well.....

On a related note, being aware of some of these types of potential problems 
gives checking your oil much more meaning than just making sure the level is 
between the two lines. It's just as important to be smelling the oil for fuel as 
it is for cloudiness as a sign of a coolant leak. I've seen pumps continue to 
supply enough fuel pressure to keep the floats full while a perforated diapragm 
allowed fuel to contaminate the oil. The problem should be located and corrected 
right away and the oil changed before further use. 


My 2 cents....  

Ryan Hill 




To: rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx
CC: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:05:35 +0000
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Re: AUXILLARY FUEL PUMP


  



Bob, 
I have had two mechanical pumps on my C fail shortly after being rebuilt. When I 
took them off they were filled with motor oil due to the diaphragm 
disintegrating from the ethanol. There is no divider between the diaphragm and 
the mechanical linkage into the engine. So when the diaphragm opens up the 
electric pump could pump fuel into the engine. My thought was if I had had an 
aux. electric fuel pump it would have continued to provide gas to the carb for a 
short period but it would have also pumped a lot of gasoline into the engine 
oil. I am not an engineer but my mechanic told me it could do a lot of damage 
and perhaps explode in the engine. 

I am also concerned that even using a elec. pump as primer to start the engine 
if it were pumping through the mech. pump; Suppose the diaphragm had 
disintegrated during storage what would the gasoline do to the engine in the oil 
before starting or after it would not start. And was left stored that way until 
it could be fixed.....!!?? 

A proper way to do it may be to do a buy pass with a switch and check or one way 
valves (isolating the Mech. pump) to use the electric as a back-up and put it on 
a emergency off switch using a separate oil pressure switch. Everyone seems to 
agree this is a good idea. 


J D Jung 
Retromobilia.net 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: "Chrysler300" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:25:05 PM 
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Re: AUXILLARY FUEL PUMP 

That's why you use a push button switch, don't leave it turned on, and only 
use it for priming. Sorry to disagree, but I've had an electric pump on my 
G for 30 years and have never had a problem. If you have a failed diaphragm 
in the mechanical pump, the engine won't run. Of course, you could always 
eliminate the mechanical pump entirely if you wanted to, but I don't want 
to. 

Bob J 

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ] On 
Behalf Of retromobilia@xxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 1:33 PM 
To: Ryan Hill 
Cc: Chrysler300 
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Re: AUXILLARY FUEL PUMP 

I would never run an electric pump before the mechanical pump because ... On 
numerous occasions when the mech. pump diaphram failed due to mod. fuel it 
allowed a direct passage to the engine oil sump. I cannot imagine what would 
happen if the mechanical pump failed and the electric continued to pump and 
the car did not stop for several miles ........? 

J D Jung 
Retromobilia.net 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Hill" < ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx 
<mailto:ryan_hillc300%40hotmail.com> > 
To: paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:paulholm%40ameritech.net> , 
chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:24:40 AM 
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Re: AUXILLARY FUEL PUMP 

Many of us have run electric pumps alone that way without incident but it's 
dangerous if you're running a mechanical pump as well, especially with 
modern fuels that seem to deteriorate the mechanical pumps faster than in 
the good old days. 

Also, if you're running an electric pump full time as your only pump on a 
carburated car, I would think you should have a low oil pressure kill switch 
or inertia switch installed in the event of an accident where the key is not 
turned off. Nothing like having a fuel line rupture and a pump continuing to 
run and spray raw fuel all over. 

Ryan Hill 

To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> 
From: paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:paulholm%40ameritech.net> 
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:54:07 -0400 
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Re: AUXILLARY FUEL PUMP 

On 10/14/2011 1:27 PM, Ryan Hill wrote: 
> 
> One important thing to remember when running an auxiliary electric pump 
like this. If the electric pump is left running and your mechanical pump 
fails, you could potentially fill your engine with fuel. (If the diaphragm 
fails, it will leak internally) The damage can be catastrophic! Also, in the 
past, some have mentioned the convenience of having a second pumping source 
to limp home on in the event their mechanical pump fails......this should 
only be done after bypassing the mechanical pump for the same reason. 

> Make sure the pump is being shut off, I would set it up with a push button 
rather than a switch so it's only on when I push it to prime the carb. 

> Ryan Hill 

way back when, we used to just wire the pump to the 'hot when key on' 
source that way if the key was off and out the pump was Not running 

-- 
Paul Holmgren 
Mine: 2 57 300-C's in Indy 
Hers: 05 PT GT R/T HO Stage 1 
Hoosier Corps L#6 

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