FW: [Chrysler300] one's thoughts re auction results on 300s values

["Owen Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>]

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From: Owen Grigg [mailto:ram300@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, 21 April 2008 10:52 a.m.
To: 'John Lyons'
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] one's thoughts re auction results on 300s values

Does this show that the buyers for these cars are more educated on what is 
correct and what is not correct? They are true car collectors and the
"investors" have gone back to the share market and property or whatever.

Does it also show that if you're sending your car to auction you should
spend a relatively small amount of money doing the "easily" seen stuff, like
seat covers and gold air cleaners?

Just a thought.
Owen
Auckland,NZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of John Lyons
Sent: Monday, 21 April 2008 1:26 a.m.
To: 'Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] one's thoughts re auction results on 300s values

I didn't think the prices were down.  Each car had individual
characteristics that I think impacted the bidding.  The C300 was a great car
and brought a very good price I thought.  I don't know that I have heard of
another '55 or '56 letter car doing that kind of money (remember, the buyer
paid about $85,000 all in).  The F was a beautiful but strange car (all I am
willing to say on a public forum) and at least three buyers I know stayed
away from the car because of its oddities. The G interior needed to be
redone (at least the seats anyway) to be show.  It looked great but had been
driven...a lot.  The paint in the engine bay was very heavy...appearing
thick and almost wet on some of the components.  Sadly, the 300C convert had
only one thing going 'against' it...it is white (although I personally loved
it).  I encouraged several people to go after that car....I thought it was
great and went below what I thought it should.  It had metallic green air
cleaners which while wrong (I think) looked really good.

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From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of christopher beilby
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 7:28 AM
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Chrysler300] one's thoughts re auction results on 300s values




Since no one else seems to have offered comment re the website
question/thought that 300 values may be down, and maybe that where they may
stay, here is a copy for 'all of those interested' of what I sent off
earlier today. And I add a further thought that when one gets to thinking of
spending say $150-$200k on a car, is 'buying at Auction' the safest/smartest
thing to do, 'the real test of real 300s values' ? - unless one gets the car
way below $$$$$ other means of buying?!

Plus selling at auction 'sometimes' shows up risks re high dollar cars of
not being 110% perfect re presentation, body panel fit etc. (Two 'maybe'
examples (1) a finned 300 car that was put up few months back with blackwall
tires - it went real cheap, and some on this site asked why did it go so
cheap - whitewalls finish 300s, and most 50s early 60s era cars, without
them they just look 'lessor' - 'lessor' can mean less bidders competing ?!
(2) the 300C convert just sold - on a car like a 300C-G, panel fit I believe
is paramount. Even if the viewer/buyer, does not realise he has noticed it,
to those that know cars/values, a car with doors that don't correctly fit
the body gaps, have too wide a gap, or stick out wider from quarter as they
get nearer the rocker, often mean a car it is better to walk away from,
certainly not a top dollar car unless problem easily fixed ??
Wrong trim, chrome instead of painted aircleaners - whatever - are cheap
easy fixes, but how much to fix a body/300 if the quarters say, have been
welded on in the wrong place/angle/whatever??! So if a 300 that should have
maybe made near $170-200K doesn't, maybe it is not the buyers thought it too
dear, rather they thought it not what they sought?

Other say their two bobs worth, but any (not yet realising?) 300 restorer
should be warned, the most important pasrt of restoring any high dollar 300
is get panel fit right, especially the way the doors fit the
rockers/quarters - you will be rewarded by a car you can admire, as well as
untold other 300 and non 300 lovers?! 
300 values cannot be determined by sales at one or two auctions such as the
one just held - they give guides or trends, but there are many factors at
work, such as the couple I have just hinted at/about, and they may explain
lower prices, rather than 300 values are headed down?

earlier post starts below - those not interested hit 'delete' button now

From: thelastbestgenius@ <mailto:thelastbestgenius%40hotmail.comTo>
hotmail.comTo: ronbo97@comcast. <mailto:ronbo97%40comcast.netSubject>
netSubject: 300 auctions results from earlier today?!Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008
09:57:52 +1000

>From afar, so aplogies if not near the mark, wrong?, but finned Mopars/300s
values are maybe not coming back? Over $200k for a 60 Plymouth Convert -
even if a real one off re low miles etc that may be the only on the planet
if you tried to find a twin re low miles etc - would have stunned many just
a few years ago. And 300C converts have been pretty thin over auction
blocks, and you maybe should discount the final price this one made, as it
seemed to have shocking body door gap on one side shown, which although
pretty easy to fix even by just running bead of weld on offending edges then
grinding back and repainting, totally spoilt the car somewhat, and for sure
would have meant a maybe 30+% final price discount!? Anyhow if the new buyer
is smart, that is what he can do in less than a week at most panel shops, to
end up with a cheap 300C convert? OK the 300F/G era convert looked cheap (if
one can say near $150k cost) is cheap !!!?? Easy to find a 300F 'cheap',
than cheap gas nowadays sadly?!If any of you get the chance to drive other
late 50s 'non 300s', my experience is they give nowhere the feeling,
exhileration, power, handling, solidness, of the hemi and ram 300s, so
values are never going to get real cheap - that is if future 300s are still
driven, rather than become 'investments !??And obviously for me to be making
this comment, I am again driving one of my properly sorted 300Cs after a few
weeks poorer weather break, and it stuns me how a car over 50 years old can
be pushed pretty hard in today's traffic, and still yet be the better of
most all others around you. May your US winter be soon allowing you US 300
owners to rediscover your 300s. Christopher in beautiful early autumn
Australia

To: chrysler300@ <mailto:chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com;
John@hartfordconcou <mailto:John%40hartfordconcours.comFrom> rs.comFrom:
ronbo97@comcast. <mailto:ronbo97%40comcast.netDate> netDate: Sat, 19 Apr
2008 19:28:43 -0400Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Some auctions results from
earlier today

Looks like prices are coming back down to earth. Except for that
Plymouth,that is.Can you remember or point us to a website that shows what
didn't sell andwhat the high bids were ?Ron----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lyons" <John@hartfordconcou <mailto:John%40hartfordconcours.com>
rs.com>To: <chrysler300@ <mailto:chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com>Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:30 PMSubject: [Chrysler300]
Some auctions results from earlier today> I was at the Wayne Davis sale
today. Four letter cars and a Plymouth Fury> Sonoramic Commando sold.>>
Prices:>> 1955 C300: $77,500 + commissions Show condition> 1957 300C
convertible: $135,000+ commissions Strong driver quality toshow> condition>
1960 300F convertible: $155,000+ commissions. Show condition> 1961 300G
Coupe $57,500+ commissions (did this one off memory...I did not> write it
down for some reason. Driver quality)>> 1960 Plymouth Fury Sonoramic
Commando: $230,000+ commissions Show> condition.>> John Lyons>>>>>>>
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