And Wayne Graefen also recently touched most briefly on another 300 related topic, re a possible 'new 300F 4 speed?!', plus George Rhiel corrected me regards the supposed authentic Jerry Rushing "Dukes of Hazzard" inspiring 300D I mentioned I had read about, actually looking like it certainly IS NOT Jerry's original car, but a re-creation - so thank you George for setting me straight that the car now known is not the original actual car/300D.
No one semed to take Wayne up on his 'new 300F 4 spd' concerns/point/view, and initially I thought it perhaps a bit strong, but seeing how easily one believes what one thinks/hears/reads, maybe Wayne was on the money, but perhaps if anyone took the matter further, maybe it could be put a bit more 'user friendly' ?!
Our 300s were built now often near 50 years ago, and it getting unavoidable is they have two histories now - (1) how they were made/built, and now also (2) what has happened since. Some will say forever only the first matters - history will decide that one, and no doubt many can argue it's case.
My only reason re now raising the point that 300s also have histories beyond just how they left the Factory, is the difficulty I have had verifying much of what I have got in the way of paperwork and detail re my 300C that (supposedly/seemingly/cetainly ran at Daytona, even if it just once, and not as well as hoped (which happened to most running at Daytona that year as the sand condition was very bad just for starters) then at some drags after that. And allowing for it is 50 years to the day the car is dated as being built on Dec 28, that is maybe not now suprising?! But what is annoying is that piece by piece, virtually all of what written down about the car's early 'competiotion exploits/history', seems to be likely true, the only/biggest problem being some/one owners between the first and now me, never thought/bothered that in years to come some may say 'prove it all now', otherwise it is a bunch of lies, or what ?!!
And sadly, owners of any/all 300s of all models/years, only need one former owner not to care to keep, pass on, former owners/rego hard copy detail, and not only is the chain broken, but all former history lost, UNLESS the CLUB, or someoe else knew/recorded/cared !!??
Enough for now - bad news re maybe/likely finishing my 300C Flying Mile Car for it's 50th birthday on Dec 28, but good news for any of those who care about pre 58 300s re running at Daytona, early US drags, and the use/effect of our early Chrysler twin carb hemis re the US pre 1961 drag scene, is that I have made myself considerably poorer recently re collecting as much original material/publications recently from the US re all this, and am making a brief summary of it, if any are interested - boy the top speeds and ets real moved once that '57 392 hemi was released at the same time as nitro was banned by NHRA trying to keep speeds low enough for the cars to stop before parachutes came in soon after - the nitro fuel ban near instantly lead to an explosion of supercharging the 392s, and they hit 180mph, near up 30 mph in just months, yet with no nitro.
And 'suddenly' in 1960 Detroit woke up to stockers running at the drags, was good business, bloody good for business/image/sales and the mega dollars flowed from the factories into that bracket, and that leads to the story of the Ramchargers etc, but I leave that one for later 300 era people.
Christopher in Australia, keep up the wealth of great and helpful information/experiences, it much appreciated from afar/downunder, even if our 'up is your down', and vice versa - maybe that why one of my 300Cs rear power windows go 'up' better than 'down', the 'down' which requires a helping hand - obviously from Club posts an avoided 'lubrication job' for perhaps too long now !?
From: lettercars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxTo: c300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, robkern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, gcann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300C engine on e-bay Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 16:52:15 EST Cuzzin Rich and All: Finally getting around to commenting on the 300C production figure discussion. First of all, as has been stated, the first 300C was VIN 3N57 1001.(Happily, it still exists!) The last is 3N57 3251 for a total of 2,251 cars. Now a comment on those higher 300C production numbers. There has, for manyyears, been published from time to time a figure around 2400 for 300Cproduction. In fact, I have a Chrysler letter series production sheet from the Historical Collection with penciled in revisions to the previous 3/9/73 numbersraising the 300C total production to 2402. This revision was dated May10,'74. What precipitated this---I was around there at the time---was that a document of PROJECTED production schedules was found and interpreted for a time as300Cs actually produced. John Bunnell, Archivist at that time, madecorrections later. Obviously, some of the erroneous production figures were published, and continue to be so to this day. How do we KNOW these additional carswere not built? Two Chrysler documents indicate they were not. 1. A log of Chrysler Monthly Starting Serial Numbers states the last 300C as 3251. The starting VIN in September of 1957 was 3247, so only 5 cars were built that final month before 300D production started. 2. The 300C microfilm record ends with 3N57 3251 Finally, in the 32 or so years since the production figures were finalized at 2251, NO 300C with a number higher has ever presented itself. Hope this helps clear things up a little. 300ly, Gil Cunningham In a message dated 11/29/2006 12:03:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, c300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:My 1955 Service Manual indicates the 1955 VINâ??s start with 3N551001 and Iwas assuming the same convention might apply to the 1957â??s that aresimilarly numbered. Cuzzinâ?? Gil: Help! We either have one too many or aremissing a 300-C. C-300â??ly, Rich Barber ________________________________________ From: rob kern [mailto:robkern@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:44 PM To: 'George R. Cann'; 'chrysler club'; Rich Barber Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300C engine on e-bay Hello 300'ly to all! The last VIN of the C was 3N573251, since only 2251 were built with the VIN # starting at 1000. The 3NE57#### is for the engine, and I have been lead to believe that there were at least 16 extra engines produced of the '57 392 Hemi that did not go into vehicles. ROB KERN ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Barber To: 'George R. Cann' ; 'chrysler club' Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 12:33 PM Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 300C engine on e-bayI'm no expert, but my data shows a total of 2,252 1957 Chrysler 300-C's wereproduced. Unless they skipped some numbers, the VIN of the last one would have been 3N573252. The referenced VIN is most likely the engine number stamped on the block--as evidenced by the "E" in the string. VIN's and S/N's of these early cars did not match and it is likely some additional replacement engines were built along the way. C-300'ly, Rich Barber 1955 C-300 VIN 3N551198, engine S/N 3NE551098 To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm For archives go to http://www.forwardlook.net/300-archive/ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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