I agree, the stuff is horrendous crap. You will never have clean windows again. Lee in san diego -----Original Message----- From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Schaaf Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:06 AM To: 300-Chrysler 300 Club; Gloria Moon Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Vinyl protecting I have written often on this listsrv regarding Armor All. IMHO the product may serve well as a weed and vegetation killer for your landscaping requirements, but to use on an automobile to protect or enhance your interior or even your tires is the height of folly. The stuff exudes gases for months when used in the interior thereby fogging you windows with this scum that even lye and steel wool cannot remove. The shiny, greasy, slippery look and feel that it leaves on your surfaces would not past muster at the lowest of the low car show judging. Not to mention what a dust collector this substance is and the fact that over a period of time, it will discolor your vinyl and tires to this ghastly yellow/orange/gold appearance from their normal black finish. I may have told this story before on this listsrv. Many years ago I had some body work performed on an automobile at my favorite body shop. When I picked up the car, I noted as the beaming owner(a good friend of mine) of the shop looked on, that interior and tires were slathered with this stuff. I said Ed, what is this crap. He said it was the newest product for protecting and enhancing the finish of rubber and vinyl. I told Ed that I would leave the car with him and would only pick it up when all of this stuff was removed. A couple of days later, I picked it up. Ed reported that it was a big job to remove it. A couple of years later, Ed told me this little tale. He said that for quite sometime he had been experiencing "fisheye" in his paint jobs(his shop was well noted for their extremely high quality paint jobs, mainly on Corvettes, Porches, Ferraris and cars of that ilk). He said he had battled with paint vendors, suppliers of chemicals, his body and paint guys in doing proper preparation, all to no success. He then said that one day he had remembered my conversation with him a couple of years previous on Armor All on my car. He immediately headed to his detail shop(a large separate room in the same building). He found that the heating, ventilation system was shared thru the whole shop. He then realized that Armor All(still used in the detail shop---why, I do not know) and when it was sprayed on automobiles it would become atomized and carried throughout the shop, and molecules of it would land on autos prepared for painting. This even after they had been cleaned thoroughly with prep-sol before paint was applied and even prep-sol was not removing it. Hence the "fisheyes". He did thank me for hollering at him some 2 years before and giving him the idea where his problem originated. He also switched to 303 Protectant, which of course is what I have used for some 20 years or so. Other then that I have no strong thoughts on the product. Roger Schaaf 300 B ----- Original Message ----- From: Gloria Moon To: 300-Chrysler 300 Club Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 4:53 AM Subject: [Chrysler300] Vinyl protecting We have used Armorall on our vinyl dashes and are not pleased with the results later. Either we used it incorrectly or it is not the best thing to use. I know we've discussed this before, but I've lost that thread. For now we're using saddle soap to clean which has no vinyl softening or UV protection. For vinyl roofs, we use the very excellent POR-GLO by POR15 Inc. But this is for exterior use only. Gloria Moon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm For archives go to http://www.forwardlook.net/300-archive/ Yahoo! Groups Links To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm For archives go to http://www.forwardlook.net/300-archive/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:Chrysler300-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mailto:Chrysler300-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/