Re: [Chrysler300] correct action on vins rather than untold talk?

["christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

As I think I said earlier when this issue last was covered in many emails, I 
think the AC Cobra Register which has since I believe early 70s tracked 
every known Cobra and then later also Shelby Mustang is proof, or shows, the 
best assurance/hope of one knowing if a car is genuine or a latter fake?!

All those concerned at knowing the early years '300 legend/icons' is best 
protected can only be encouraged to see, or even better offer to help, the 
growth of the Club's tracking, record keeping, of all 300s one believes 
should be noted/tracked.
Congratulations to those in the Club who are already recording details of 
cars as they see or hear of them - be if Official, or as a courtesy for the 
future.

If the values of 300s continue to grow, those (300s) that have been known 
longest and best by 'those who know' will be the ones the smarter people 
will want to own, rather than one that seems correct but was never known or 
has no rego history as a 300 until 10 minutes before it appeared for sale?!
People collect things for all reasons - to those of us who want the real 
thing, then a Club Register, or some other other name equivalent, will best 
serve us/them.  To those who are just money or status people, then let them 
use their own means to decide what car they decide to buy?!

Christopher in Oz

(Shoot me down if you think I am wrong, because otherwise Roger and others 
are right that anyone can clone or rip off even the most handbuilt car, and 
those with many supposed secret markings _ AC Cobras hads way more than 
300s, and they were mainly originally so the correct parts ended up on the 
car (Build number) they were intended for, not ever thinking of 30-50 years 
down the track.)


>From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "Ben Meisner" <meisnerinc@xxxxxxx>,"Chrysler 300" 
><Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] vins
>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:28:04 -0700
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>Some may one day say; who were those crazy's who continually waxed 
>poetically about whether or not some old car had the exact same 
>configuration as when built, or had the  vin number that only a "correct" 
>car could have.
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>Certainly among the extreme of these would probably include those of the 
>Corvette establishment, where for example a 67 Corvette with a nondescript 
>serial number and option list could be worth perhaps 40,000 dollars in 
>perhaps a number 2 condition.  This same car(might look exactly the same 
>going down the road) could be worth close to a million dollars if it had 
>the pedigree of a L-88 with all "proper" documentation.
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>Now the problem is that "any" Corvette(or you fill in the blank) restorer 
>worth his title is now able to completely duplicate down to the finest 
>details(include build sheets, Protecto Plates, window stickers, engine and 
>component stamping) create "any" model Corvette that he wishes and able to 
>defy "any" expert the ability to determine if this car is "correct" or not. 
>  If you doubt this, just ask any art "expert" how many museums of the 
>world have on display(or auctions have sold), masterpieces by famous and 
>renown artistes that have been examined and appraised by "experts" as 
>authenticate but are in fact well done forgeries.  Counterfeiting a car is 
>a walk in the park compared to this.
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>Now the Corvette organizations have created their so called "Bloomington 
>Gold, Silver etc etc" and "Duntov" and other such certification systems to 
>ensure that all cars deemed "correct" are indeed so.
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>One day I suspect that we will all come to our senses and just enjoy these 
>old cars for what they were and are.  Then quite possibly the days of 2 
>million dollar Hemi Barracudas(4 to 5 times what a Ferrari 275 GTB 4 will 
>bring--which IMHO is a "real" car)will end and people will see our cars for 
>what they really should be....cars to restore, drive, show, love and enjoy, 
>and not merely objects of whether or not it has the proper birth 
>certification and able to prove it merely by its vin number.
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>Sometimes all of this correctness reminds me of the old saying of "Pull up 
>the rope, I'm in the boat".
>
>Roger Schaaf
>300 B (with an improper 1956 torqueflight, a 1957 rear axle to gain a 2:90 
>rearend ratio, radial tires, polyurethane paint, Timo(with of course his 
>"bug") windshield and God only knows what other sins,  but naturally the 
>correct vin(and frame stenciling/stamping number that matches the engine).
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Ben Meisner
>   To: Chrysler 300
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 12:01 PM
>   Subject: [Chrysler300] vins
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>   I have watched the writings of the secret markings and now feel 
>compelled to respond. We can duplicate a $50 dollar bill so that even the 
>authorities cannot tell, we can duplicate credit cards, ID, Watches, most 
>everything we come in contact with every day. Believe me there is someone 
>out there who can duplicate (and do) every thing that a 300 has on it , 
>including Vin numbers. This club has done a good job of trying their level 
>best to ensure that 300"S are not clones, But when you add a fender, a rad, 
>a tail light , a floor board, have you not altered the original and hence , 
>cloned a piece of that car. My hidden serial number for my E is located on 
>the top side of the frame on the passenger drivers side. If you want to 
>check you have to take the body off the frame . The fellow who re painted 
>my E ( which makes it not original) took the vin plate off, I told everyone 
>in the club and they said put it back as best as possible. Short of 
>shooting the guy who did it I'll have to live with it. The car is original 
>, as best as I could make it. , and that in my mind is what it is all 
>about. There always will be those who will work the system, human greed is 
>such and people in this club will I am sure try their best to weed out the 
>fakes as they always have . Trying to hide behind a secret identifying mark 
>tends to portray all of us as fakes that can't be trusted and that simply 
>is not true.
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