I do not think your analogy is valid. This hurts Ebay's brand. I know about brand being in the online business with several web sites including my flagship site American Dream Cars www.americandreamcars.com. Comparing Ebay and alcohol is definitely comparing apples and oranges. Alcohol in moderation has been shown to actually be helpful for good health. Fraud is never helpful for anything. Alcohol is a drug and like any drug can be abused. Ebay is a business and like any business can be abused for fraud but that is where the likeness stops. I am looking at Ebay from the perspective if I owned it. I would definitely want people to trust my market place. If they do not trust it they will not buy. People know and trust alcohol. It has been behaving the same way since some cave man figured out how to make it and that it had interesting effects. Don't think the effects have changed much either and it is a very socially acceptable drug in most societies. Ebay is a marketplace and alcohol is a drug. I am sipping on a glass of red wine as I write this. By the way alcohol in moderation is supposed to me helpful for lowering cholesterol - especially red wine - and it is also good for menopause symptoms in women. Probably safer than the HRT stuff all the doctors push that they finally figured out was bad for you after prescribing it for 30 years. Anyway one is a drug and the other an online marketplace. Ebay needs fixing, alcohol seems to work just fine the way it is. Very different. You can abuse anything if you try hard enough even cars. Regards, Nancy Kramer At 10:54 PM 1/15/2006, Roger Schaaf wrote: >Why should Ebay be too concerned? It is the buyer, not Ebay that suffers >when a fraud is successful. Ebay has a perfect of a system as could be >designed. They offer up the platform, rake in the receipts, and claim it >is not their problem if a buyer(or seller sometimes) gets taken. Almost as >perfect as the alcohol industry. They manufacter, market, distribute and >sell their product, earn billions in profits and society pays the price in >domestic abuse, crime, prisons, health costs, 15,000( five 9-11's each >year) traffic deaths annually, lost productivity in industry, etc >etc. And yet are not held responsible at all in the hundreds of billions >of dollars annually in financial costs, broken homes, child abuse, and >tens of thousands lost lives each and every year. And some would ban >firearms! We have met the enemy, and the enemy is us(Pogo). > >Roger Schaaf >300 B > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Kramer" <nekramer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: "John Lyons" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:22 PM >Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 300G convert relist > > >>That Ebay stuff is getting to be a real jungle with lots of scammers it >>seems. You would think a big company like Ebay could police it better >>somehow. >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Nancy Kramer >>Webmaster http://www.americandreamcars.com >>Free Color Picture Ads for Collector Cars >>One of the Ten Best Places To Buy or Sell a Collector Car on the Web >> >> At 11:38 AM 1/15/2006, John Lyons wrote: >> >>>The 300 G convertible relist is a fraudulent auction. I just spoke to the >>>seller....the deal is done...the car is not for sale. >>> >>>John >>> >>>Item number 4605336953 >>> >>> >>> >>>To send a message to this group, send an email to: >>>Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>>For list server instructions, go to >>>http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>No virus found in this incoming message. >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 1/14/2006 >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 1/14/2006 >> >> >> >> >>To send a message to this group, send an email to: >>Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>For list server instructions, go to >>http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you? >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 1/14/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.18/230 - Release Date: 1/14/2006 To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/