Hi Bruce, sure - there is a relationship between keyway and timing mark on outer ring of balancer; however, given the small diameter & circumference of the crank, the fact that one cannot see the keyway with crank bolt installed, etc. , I believe that the easiest / most reliable way to check the accuracy of the balancer is to pull #1 plug, and use a piston stop indicator to put the engine at true TDC . My piston stop indicator is real high-tech: a hollowed-out spark plug with a bolt threaded into it ! The end of the bolt is rounded off. Period, that's it and all you will need. John Hertog Sag Harbor NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Naimy" <brucenaimy@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "'John J. Hertog'" <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "zzChrysler 300 list" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Timing Marks in general > John and all, > Should there not be a known relationship to the keyway on a harmonic > balancer and the timing mark on the outer ring? I realize this would > change > from engine to engine, but if we had a guide for this situation we could > avoid some frustrating moments. I have a 413 and a 440 in storage that I > want to make run in the next year and this information if available would > be > most helpful as I'm sure it would be too many others. > Thanks to any who might be able to supply this info. > Bruce Naimy > Walla Walla, WA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of John J. Hertog > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:13 AM > To: Warren Anderson; Chrysler300; Matt Allyn > Subject: [Chrysler300] Timing Marks in general > > Matt and all, > > A quick word re: harmonic balancers: do not trust the "reference" mark on > yours - unless you have tested / calibrated it against TDC . I recently > took "a pile" of used harmonic balancers I had accumulated over the years, > when disassembling engines; and I checked them on an engine that was at > TDC, > > on a stand. Out of about 10 balancers, only two were accurate to within 5 > degrees . The others were all "out to lunch" - some by ten degrees, some > by > twenty degrees, some by a whole lot more. > > If your harmonic balancer is original and has not been rebuilt, there is > more than a good chance that it's no longer accurate, and that the outer > ring has "walked" . > > John Hertog > Sag Harbor NY > > > > > > To send a message to this group, send an email to: > Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > For list server instructions, go to > http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/8LmulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/