Folks, Depends on one's definition of Muscle Car. Chadwick, Duesenberg J/SJ, Olds 88, Hudson Hornet, Chrysler Letter Car, GTO? In 1966 (as a freshman in High School), I wrote a letter to Motor Trend Magazine telling them that the hoopla concerning the 1964 GTO (small car, big motor, "first MuscleCar", so everyone said) was misplaced. I made a case for the '56 Golden Hawk, which I still feel strongly about IF you use the GTO's criteria . Given that in 1956 the largest engine available was a 374 Packard, the ratio of 352 (the GH's Packard engine) to 374 was closer in size to "the biggest" than the GTO's 389 to the 430 Lincoln in 1964. Maybe that's why the first groundbreaking test of a 64' Goat was the C&D coupe that in reality had a Royal Pontiac blueprinted 421. The sad irony is that the same C&D issue had the article "Who Killed Studebaker". So the debate will continue, as we all know. However, thanks to Bob Rodger and Virgil Exner and their lengthy focus from the C300 through the Sonoramic cars (and the heritage it created for the later cars, like my 300K 4 speed), the Letter Cars will always be in a class by themselves. None of the other 4/5 passenger sedans I mentioned (or may have overlooked), have had as consistent a tenure of awe-inspiration. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: <mjraguse@xxxxxxx> To: <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <300country@xxxxxxx> Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Chrysler Trivia > In a message dated 8/18/2005 12:07:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > Worse yet, the first muscle car might 'really' have been the GTO. > > Sorry but I miss the point. I think a special model such as the "300" with > unique engine, badging and interior appointiments qualifies as the first > muscle car... I take exception to the thought that it started in 1961or so....Hell > we were burning rubber long before that....Anyother opinions? Marv > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > To send a message to this group, send an email to: > Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/8LmulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/