Hi Ben; Jim Krausmann's response was right on the mark, but there's 1 other thing thats important, Attitude. A very wise long time member, Dudley Finneyfrock, explaned it to me. He said that "He brought his car to be judged. He asked the judges to examine his car and tell him what was wrong or needed improvement". When they were finished, he'd thank them very much, take the judgeing sheet home and leave it alone for a week or so. Then he's take the sheet and look at the items that lost points. If he agreed, he'd fix it. If he thought they were a little too critical, or wrong, he'd leave it alone. He never argued with the judges, after all, he asked. In this fashion, he created a consistant award winning 1970 300 Hurst, which is now on display in the Chrysler Museaum. By the way, the judges are busting their butts crawing around over and under other peoples cars for hours , while everyone else is enjoying the day. they get nothing other than lunch out of it. Give them a break, cars are entered, they examine, owners should accept gracefully. NEVER ask a question if you don't want the answer. I encourage you to have any 300 Letter car you can bring to a meet, Judged at least once. That will give you a baseline to do your restoration from. Many do this and never have it judged again. They just enjoy. As far as peoples choice this is where the members judge the Letter cars in attendance, in 4 classes, by year groups, and the most votes gets the gold. No standards, just what the members liked. I sometimes vote for a driver over a well restored car, just because I think it's better to drive them a lot and enjoy them in their natural enviroment....on the road! But a well restored car is a sight to behold. I love them all. As far as "improvements" go, it's your car, do it "your way"! Hope to see you in Concours (just for the experiance), Ray -- Ray Jones, Jones Ridge, in the Ouachita Mtns near Mena, Western Arkansas > From: Ben Meisner <meisnerinc@xxxx> > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:48:57 -0800 > To: Chrysler 300 <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [Chrysler300] judging > > Hi Club; > > Forgive me for being a fool . Would someone in the club , preferably judges > answer these questions. > (1) what does a concourse car , represent . how is it judged . what are the > marks for each section. what forms the deductions for a 300 letter car. > > (2) What constitutes a peoples choice award . what are the judging parameters > . again what are the deductions . > > (3) are there classes at the meets for people such as myself, who drive our > cars as much as possible . Last year seven thousand miles after June 24th. > till October 30th ( winter in Canada ) > > (A) I make as good an effort as possible at trying to make the car original. > But when it comes for example to the clock. I convert it to Quartz to ensure > that it will run into the next century . I have power coated my rims in the > interest of making sure that they will never rust and will be around for the > next hundred years even if it is driven. I have added new under coating on the > under side to ensure that rust never ever gets on the floor pans . similarly > on the interior . I have changed the bolts that have shown obvious rust wear > to stainless steel again to ensure that they never are the cause of rust . I > have power coated the supports for the bumper again to make sure they never > will rust again. does all of this make my car a failure in the eyes of judges > . I have the correct interior, motor , paint colors for air cleaners etc. I > have tried as best as possible to build a car that will last well into the > future , I believe in my heart it is far better then when it originally > rolled off the assembly line. I wonder aloud and I'm sure as do many people > who belong to this list and are afraid to ask. > > > Thank you judges... > > Ben Meisner > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > To send a message to this group, send an email to: > Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > For list server instructions, go to > http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >