Hi members.... Well... here is what i think about having the original color chip in front of you! When the tinter at the paint shop mixes it up he would have something to "eye" match it to. I have seen several Mardigra reds! Some too orange and some too brown. Some paint stores don't have the older books anymore. I checked out the website and looked at the colors for 61. Alot of the colors didn't even look the same. Dubonet Metallic looked very brownish in color. Nice for getting codes and names but as far as seeing what the original color looks like....Not even close! Oh yea.... Check out Toreador Red. Just a thought from a signpainter! 300'ly Dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]