Hi all: I fully concur with Aaron Kahlenberg's assessment of Metalcrafters. Years ago Aaron was able to arrange a tour for a couple of our local clubs of Metalcrafters facility and all of us were in awe of what we saw. Indeed, they are no "flakes." I wish I could work there but my retirement is taking up too much of my time! Dan Reitz Northridge, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]