Owen, I think this subject has been argued to death for many years now and I suspect it will be argued for many more. I say if your car satisfies YOU and has the muscle that makes YOU comfortable, then it is a Muscle Car!! Ron... ps ... My 'School Girl Car' has 600+ hp, "from the factory", it's a 'cuda. However I agree with you, it's a wuss when compared to GranPappy 300's !! My 'cuda may be a bit more nimble, but can't compare to the muscle of the 300's I've owned !!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]