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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Paint chip
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
2. (no subject)
From: MJMLandDev@xxxxxxx
3. Re: Paint chip
From: "Terry & Andree Hoeman" <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: Paint chip
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: Paint chip
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: (no subject)
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: Fuel Sender Resistance
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Fuel Sender Resistance
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: Fuel Sender Resistance
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: Fuel Sender Resistance
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Fuel Guage and Temp Guage Problems
From: "Tim Tomlinson" <tomlin@xxxxxxxxx>
12. Fuel & Temp Guages
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: Fuel Guage and Temp Guage Problems
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Warning???
From: paul holmgren <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
15. In need of Secondary Air Valve
From: "Al Wilson" <wilson1450@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:01:24 EDT
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Paint chip
In a message dated 8/19/2003 12:41:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> What Dan said. Don't throw away those paint chips. What you see on your
> monitor is a function of the quality and how old your monitor is, your video
> drivers, etc. I have three monitors in front of me and they are all
> rendering colors differently.
>
If you are seriously trying to match the original colors, send a sample of
your paint to Gil Cunningham - he has the official paint sample chips (which are
pretty big for "chips.") and he will let you know how close you are to the
original.
Pete Fitch
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:06:57 EDT
From: MJMLandDev@xxxxxxx
Subject: (no subject)
Hey gang:
Got home this morning around 2AM. Was returning from Cedar Rapids, Ohio
where I attended the AACA Grand Nationals. Took a lot of back road going up and
back looking for 300's in barns or lying in the middle of a corn field but alas
we saw one hell of a lot of cornfield but all the old cars were the wrong
flavor. There were 228 cars at the Grand Nationals, all competing for that
award. I was up against a 69 Road Runner and a67 Dodge RT in my class. I won the
Preservation Award for my H convertible and also the 1st Place Grand National
for Class 36C. Not a bad showing!
Mike Meyer
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:14:35 -0500
From: "Terry & Andree Hoeman" <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Paint chip
And then there is what your printer would do to the colors to print out and
take to paint shop.
There are large variances in the various color ships also. I used a factory
color and upholstery book for my 55s and they have large sheets of color
samples. He then had to choose where on the sheet to copy the color since
it varied all over!!!!
Ditzler using original formulas would be great but they don't have the
original paints to use either!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Dan Dunkleberg" <Signboy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Paint chip
> What Dan said. Don't throw away those paint chips. What you see on your
> monitor is a function of the quality and how old your monitor is, your
video
> drivers, etc. I have three monitors in front of me and they are all
> rendering colors differently.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Dunkleberg" <Signboy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Paint chip
>
>
> >
> > Hi members....
> >
> > Well... here is what i think about having the original color chip in
> > front of you!
> >
> > When the tinter at the paint shop mixes it up he would have something to
> > "eye" match it to. I have seen several Mardigra reds!
> >
> > Some too orange and some too brown. Some paint stores don't have the
> > older books anymore.
> >
> > I checked out the website and looked at the colors for 61. Alot of the
> > colors didn't even look the same. Dubonet Metallic looked very brownish
> > in color. Nice for getting codes and names but as far as seeing what the
> > original color looks like....Not even close! Oh yea.... Check out
> > Toreador Red.
> >
> > Just a thought from a signpainter!
> >
> > 300'ly
> >
> > Dan
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:49:34 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Paint chip
Don't forget that the chip is also 35-40+ years old. It may or may not have
been exposed to the light or sun. If and when you get the chip check it
against an unexposed part of the car for color match. Under the package
tray, in the trunk, somewhere "the sun don't shine", as this will be more of
a true original color.
Ray Jones........Don't forget your parts for the Dayton Meet parts swap!
> From: Dan Dunkleberg <Signboy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 13:03:51 -0700
> To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Paint chip
>
>
> Hi members....
>
> Well... here is what i think about having the original color chip in
> front of you!
>
> When the tinter at the paint shop mixes it up he would have something to
> "eye" match it to. I have seen several Mardigra reds!
>
> Some too orange and some too brown. Some paint stores don't have the
> older books anymore.
>
> I checked out the website and looked at the colors for 61. Alot of the
> colors didn't even look the same. Dubonet Metallic looked very brownish
> in color. Nice for getting codes and names but as far as seeing what the
> original color looks like....Not even close! Oh yea.... Check out
> Toreador Red.
>
> Just a thought from a signpainter!
>
> 300'ly
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:27:48 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Paint chip
It dosen't really matter.......most of the minds looking at the colors are
somewhat altered also!
Ray Jones (mine fer sur)
> From: "Terry & Andree Hoeman" <tehoema@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:14:35 -0500
> To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Dan Dunkleberg" <Signboy@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
> "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Paint chip
>
> And then there is what your printer would do to the colors to print out and
> take to paint shop.
>
> There are large variances in the various color ships also. I used a factory
> color and upholstery book for my 55s and they have large sheets of color
> samples. He then had to choose where on the sheet to copy the color since
> it varied all over!!!!
>
> Ditzler using original formulas would be great but they don't have the
> original paints to use either!!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Dan Dunkleberg" <Signboy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Paint chip
>
>
>> What Dan said. Don't throw away those paint chips. What you see on your
>> monitor is a function of the quality and how old your monitor is, your
> video
>> drivers, etc. I have three monitors in front of me and they are all
>> rendering colors differently.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dan Dunkleberg" <Signboy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Paint chip
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi members....
>>>
>>> Well... here is what i think about having the original color chip in
>>> front of you!
>>>
>>> When the tinter at the paint shop mixes it up he would have something to
>>> "eye" match it to. I have seen several Mardigra reds!
>>>
>>> Some too orange and some too brown. Some paint stores don't have the
>>> older books anymore.
>>>
>>> I checked out the website and looked at the colors for 61. Alot of the
>>> colors didn't even look the same. Dubonet Metallic looked very brownish
>>> in color. Nice for getting codes and names but as far as seeing what the
>>> original color looks like....Not even close! Oh yea.... Check out
>>> Toreador Red.
>>>
>>> Just a thought from a signpainter!
>>>
>>> 300'ly
>>>
>>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:29:24 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Great job! looks like you'll have to add a room for all the "gold"!
See ya in Dayton,
Ray Jones
> From: MJMLandDev@xxxxxxx
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:06:57 EDT
> To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Chrysler300] (no subject)
>
> Hey gang:
>
> Got home this morning around 2AM. Was returning from Cedar Rapids, Ohio
> where I attended the AACA Grand Nationals. Took a lot of back road going up
> and
> back looking for 300's in barns or lying in the middle of a corn field but
> alas
> we saw one hell of a lot of cornfield but all the old cars were the wrong
> flavor. There were 228 cars at the Grand Nationals, all competing for that
> award. I was up against a 69 Road Runner and a67 Dodge RT in my class. I won
> the
> Preservation Award for my H convertible and also the 1st Place Grand National
> for Class 36C. Not a bad showing!
>
> Mike Meyer
>
>
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>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:36:59 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel Sender Resistance
You need something to vary the voltage from 0 -12 volts. All the tester is,
ia a variable pot, (thats what the sender is) you may be able to pick one up
at Radio Shack for a couple of bucks for testing.
Ray Jones
> From: "Terry Town" <terrytown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 07:04:50 -0400
> To: "300 List Posts" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "62-65 Mopar List"
> <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Chrysler300] Fuel Sender Resistance
>
> I've got a '64 300 with a gremlin in the gas gauge or the sending unit. I
> suspect that I have a bum fuel tank sending unit. With the wire to the sending
> unit removed at the tank, the gauge reads empty. With it hooked up the gauge
> reads hard pegged past full. Does anybody know the resistance values that
> would indicate for instance a half tank condition? I'd like to throw in a
> resistor to verify that the problem is indeed in the sending unit. The service
> manual only mentions a tester, no resistance values given.
>
> Is there a source for replacement sending units? (Either NOS or aftermarket)
> Or does anybody know of a repair facility that I can send mine to?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Terry Lynch
> '64 300 Sport
> St. Pete, FL.
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:13:56 -0400
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel Sender Resistance
Ray, several folks advertise in Hemmings that they do sender unit repair.
Park Waldrop
C cpe - Atlanta
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:19:31 -0400
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel Sender Resistance
Ray, with the situation as you describe, the problem pretty much has to be
in the sending unit. Somehow the circuit coming in from the terminal for
the wire has gotten directly grounded. Look at it carefully to see if you
can see any broken fibre washers, etc., that would have the terminal stud in
contact with the housing of the sending unit. If you don't see anything
suspect there, the trouble is internal to the unit. I had my '57 unit out
not long ago and measured the resistance, but had no reason to make a record
of it at the time. Rats!
Park Waldrop
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:20:48 -0400
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel Sender Resistance
Oops ... meant to say that to Terry! Terry, I assume you got it.
Park Waldrop
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:56:15 -0500
From: "Tim Tomlinson" <tomlin@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fuel Guage and Temp Guage Problems
Hello, all,
1. I've been reviewing the recent spate of e-mail with guage problems with much amusement. I hope someone comes up with some good ideas as one of my 300-K's has the same problem(s).
2. One of my problems, the always full or nearly full fuel guage, seems to be fixed. Will have to wait a while to be sure. It was fixed when it was discovered that a dash light tail for the cruise control (which it doesn't have) had been connected to a terminal on the rear window defogger that fed back to the dashlights and possibly the guage when the car was turned on. I, too, had done all the checks with everything checking OK. Been that way since I bought the car in 1990, and just now was found.
3. The temp guage also checks out OK. Did the grounding at the sender unit, multimeter the voltage going to the sender, replaced the sender (several times, they're cheap), etc to no avail. It will read midguage under local driving when it is hot weather, but have symptoms of overheating long before the guage shows it. On the road it barely wiggles up to the beginnings of the guage mark. My other 300-K (the one I think of as the evil son) works just fine and accurate to the fuel and temp guages.
4. I wonder whether the guage and or sending unit have been replaced and not matched to each other?
5. Thoughts and SOLUTIONS would be much appreciated--it gets frustrating after 13 years of trying to fix it.
Tim
2-300-K's
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:02:13 -0700
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fuel & Temp Guages
To my fellow 300er's. I have two new Temp and Fuel gages for my 300F.
I measured the resistance and they both are 13.0 ohms. at 97 degrees.
(Thats my garage today. ) About 20 years ago I rewound all the gauges
in my sons 66 Charger and I got out my old records and the Chargers were
the same. They varied from 12.5 to 13.4 ohms. I sent away to Steward-
Warner and they wanted me to buy a 1/4 mile spool of there resistance
wire. I was lucky to find a company that repairs gauges and they sold
me enough wire for two sets of gauges . If any body wants to try it
themselves I have a little left over. I wouldn't recommend it unless
you are a fly fisherman and you tie your own flies.
I hope this helps- Gary Barker
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:43:39 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel Guage and Temp Guage Problems
What is the coolant level when it shows symptoms of heating up?
Remember that the sender MUST be in the coolant flow to work. If the coolant
level gets low the engine can cook and the guage will never show it, at
least not til the steam gets to it.
Ray Jones
It will read midguage under local
> driving when it is hot weather, but have symptoms of overheating long before
> the guage shows it. On the road it barely wiggles up to the beginnings of the
> guage mark. My other 300-K (the one I think of as the evil son) works just
> fine and accurate to the fuel and temp guages.
> 4. I wonder whether the guage and or sending unit have been replaced and not
> matched to each other?
> 5. Thoughts and SOLUTIONS would be much appreciated--it gets frustrating after
> 13 years of trying to fix it.
> Tim
> 2-300-K's
>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:13:56 -0500
From: paul holmgren <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Warning???
I have a very short list of names in my browsers address book.
I have received 17 e-mails today from someone in the Chicago area.
ALL were virus attempts.
One of them even promted some form of responce that indicated that it
might have originated from me.
I hope others on this list is not seeing the same traffic. So far my
"protection" has warded all of them off.
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:26:34 -0500
From: "Al Wilson" <wilson1450@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: In need of Secondary Air Valve
I am rebuilding a pair of Carter 2903's for a long ram setup on a '60
Plymouth. I picked these up some years ago and never examined them that
closely. I now discovered that I am missing a secondary air valve. Does
anyone have a spare they would let go, or a similar weighted valve off
another carb? Thanks. (PS..the the Carbureture Shop has one, but is not
selling...so it can use it as a pattern in the future).
Al Wilson
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