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There are 4 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Chrysler be warned re new 300 - TBird bites dust?!
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: Chrysler be warned re new 300 - TBird bites dust?!
From: Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
3. Often forgotten facts - early hemis
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. wheel medallions
From: Dan Dunkleberg <Signboy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:18:25 +1000
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Chrysler be warned re new 300 - TBird bites dust?!
Firstly an apology for a typo in my earlier email with list of 3 world's
greatest production 'pre 2000 high performance styling' icons that were
ahead of their peers - I should have typed Lamborghini MUIRA, not Espada -
the Espada is a great car, but never deserves the greatness that is the
Muira - those astute car lovers may have realised I meant the Muira when
they saw me mention it was world's first mass production rear engined V12
GT.
Re discussion or debate re Chrysler's plans to re-launch the 300 name -
may
I suggest that D-C take serious note of the fact that print media here in
Australia now says Ford is to drop the new Thunderbird.
Reasons for this include:
1) mentioned in article was that once the more correct size motor
(bigger)
that Ford should have put in it's Ford (a 60s Datsun Fairlady copy looks
wise?!) Thunderbird 'rebirth' was announced (sorry for the difficult to
read sentance), that massive discounting was needed to sell the smaller
motor ones they were still building until ready to build the new larger
motor one. This apparently buggered the values of existing ones.
and 2). to my mind the car looked to bloody ordinary, see my above
thoughts
in brackets.
You might ask what has this to do with D-C, any new 300. Well amongst my
ongoing thoughts sent to Ford over 2 years re their Australian product, I
also warned them I thought their new Tbird was doomed to short term
success,
for exactly the two reasons above. They acted to put the larger motor in,
but too late, or wrongly.
(They also have acted on most every other suggestion I offered them, all
except a new 3 word Ford World marketing theme, which they initially
thought
meritorious enough to send direct to US Bosses. Now a much better
product,
sales of new Ford family size sedans have increased 50% in last six
months.
)
Anyhow, here is another prediction, this time for D-C, either do any new
300
properly, in the same vein as the original '55 300 to say '62 300 - OR
ELSE
FORGET IT , LIKE FORD YOU WILL HAVE WASTED A GOOD IMAGE, ICON. AND YOUR
NEW
300 WILL BE SHORT LIVED.
Here is hoping D-C hold off on using the 300 name until they have a car
that
looks better than it goes!!??
Enough for now, petrol here down to 79c a litre today, but I see on TV oil
overseas is nearly back up to $30 a barrel again, so how long before our's
here is back up to a dollar a litre !?
Keep those 300s rolling, our dollar is 65c to your 100c, so we still can't
afford much from you.
Aussie Christopher
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:40:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Chrysler be warned re new 300 - TBird bites dust?!
Hi Christopher
The new Thunderbird was initially planned for a 4-year
run, with a limited number of cars each year. I'm
unclear if they're falling short of that plan, but I
think they achieved more or less what they set out to
do. They built the car cheap by using the Lincoln LS
platform and that car's 3.9 V-8 (I believe that's the
only engine it got in the US) and they created a lot
of buzz for a while, and got people into Ford
showrooms.
This is different from the new 300 in a couple ways.
The 300M is just a slightly smaller/sportier version
of the "big Chrysler." There is nothing unique about
it otherwise - it's a relatively high volume car. The
300 name had nothing to do with its success, they
could have called it anything. The next version "300C"
or whatever, will be a little more interesting, but
still a mass-market product.
Yes, the 300 name has already been diluted, but you
must understand it doesn't have nearly the name
recognition of the Thunderbird. Everybody knows a
Thunderbird. How many here know the 300 letter
series? Hardly any. People still think my car is
Cadillac or Studebaker as often as a Chrysler, never
mind a legendary Chrysler 300. It just never made the
impression the T-bird did on American culture. I'm
not sure why Chrysler bothered to revive the name at
all.
You may criticize the new T-bird all you want, but it
has stayed true to its heritage. Jim Mateja of the
Chicago Tribune asked the main T-bird marketing guy if
there would ever be more doors or a back seat, to
which he replied "over my dead body."
Regards,
Andy
--- christopher beilby <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
> Firstly an apology for a typo in my earlier email
> with list of 3 world's
> greatest production 'pre 2000 high performance
> styling' icons that were
> ahead of their peers - I should have typed
> Lamborghini MUIRA, not Espada -
> the Espada is a great car, but never deserves the
> greatness that is the
> Muira - those astute car lovers may have realised I
> meant the Muira when
> they saw me mention it was world's first mass
> production rear engined V12
> GT.
>
> Re discussion or debate re Chrysler's plans to
> re-launch the 300 name - may
> I suggest that D-C take serious note of the fact
> that print media here in
> Australia now says Ford is to drop the new
> Thunderbird.
>
> Reasons for this include:
> 1) mentioned in article was that once the more
> correct size motor (bigger)
> that Ford should have put in it's Ford (a 60s Datsun
> Fairlady copy looks
> wise?!) Thunderbird 'rebirth' was announced (sorry
> for the difficult to
> read sentance), that massive discounting was needed
> to sell the smaller
> motor ones they were still building until ready to
> build the new larger
> motor one. This apparently buggered the values of
> existing ones.
> and 2). to my mind the car looked to bloody
> ordinary, see my above thoughts
> in brackets.
>
> You might ask what has this to do with D-C, any new
> 300. Well amongst my
> ongoing thoughts sent to Ford over 2 years re their
> Australian product, I
> also warned them I thought their new Tbird was
> doomed to short term success,
> for exactly the two reasons above. They acted to
> put the larger motor in,
> but too late, or wrongly.
> (They also have acted on most every other suggestion
> I offered them, all
> except a new 3 word Ford World marketing theme,
> which they initially thought
> meritorious enough to send direct to US Bosses. Now
> a much better product,
> sales of new Ford family size sedans have increased
> 50% in last six months.
> )
>
> Anyhow, here is another prediction, this time for
> D-C, either do any new 300
> properly, in the same vein as the original '55 300
> to say '62 300 - OR ELSE
> FORGET IT , LIKE FORD YOU WILL HAVE WASTED A GOOD
> IMAGE, ICON. AND YOUR NEW
> 300 WILL BE SHORT LIVED.
>
> Here is hoping D-C hold off on using the 300 name
> until they have a car that
> looks better than it goes!!??
>
> Enough for now, petrol here down to 79c a litre
> today, but I see on TV oil
> overseas is nearly back up to $30 a barrel again, so
> how long before our's
> here is back up to a dollar a litre !?
>
> Keep those 300s rolling, our dollar is 65c to your
> 100c, so we still can't
> afford much from you.
>
> Aussie Christopher
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:33:45 -0500
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Often forgotten facts - early hemis
55-58 and other early Hemi owners take note!
The other day, John Nowosacki mentioned to the list in his post that
early hemi motors do NOT use gaskets on their spark plugs. I asked
him about that and so thorough is his response that he even points
out some mislabeling in the shop manual.
I'll add a note to this effect in all future editions of the C
Handbook. Thanks, John!
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: <john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: gskts
Hi Wayne,
Check out page 112 of the 57 Chrysler/Imperial Service manual,
section c, third paragraph, in bold print. "No gaskets are used on
double rocker shaft engines"
Also, at the top of the section, there is a note describing the
difference in plugs between Firepower and Spitfire engines, and a
picture (Figure 26) at the bottom of the page, which is wrong, as
the pictures are reversed.
Do I get an autographed copy when I order your book?
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Graefen [mailto:wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:32 AM
To: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: gskts
Really? Shop manual says don't use the gaskets? Point me to a
page. This ought to be in the C Handbook!
Wayne
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Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:23:02 -0600
From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: dumb spark plug questions of the week
Hi folks,
I can't find non-resistor plugs for my 57 392, are resistor type ok?
R45XLS (AC brand) vs the 45XLS that were in there.
Also, the manual says don't use the gaskets on the plugs, I never
would have guessed, glad I read it. I bought new rubber doughnuts
for the tops of the tubes, the old ones were hard as rock and
cracked in places.
Any other comments/tips appreciated.
John
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:00:02 -0700
From: Dan Dunkleberg <Signboy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: wheel medallions
Just got my 61 hubcap medallions in the mail yesterday and was a little
puzzled.
I wondered why the blue portion was a dark navy blue and not the royal
transparent blue with the metalized backing?
I know they have to be correct but shouldn't they match the other
emblems? The grille medallion is not navy and the quarter medallions are
not navy blue either.
The crafsmanship is excellent!
Just a thought.
Dan
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