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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: Rear Hubs Part 3
From: "George McKovich" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Fwd: CENTER HUB FOR A TURBINE WHEEL
From: LOUISENYLA@xxxxxxx
4. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: Lindsey Fuller <lfuller@xxxxxxx>
5. 1969 CHRYSLER CENTER CAP
From: LOUISENYLA@xxxxxxx
6. PS Pump Seal
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
8. SB 708 Update
From: Chuck McGill <chuxter@xxxxxxxxxx>
9. Here is the artical (SB 708)
From: Chuck McGill <chuxter@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:22:39 -0600
From: "George McKovich" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Rear Hubs Part 3
Get the puller from Les Fairbanks..... You don't have to hit it to get
it to work. The only way to go.
George
57 Chrysler 300C coupe http://www.chrysler300c.com
62 Chrysler 300H coupe
58 Dodge Sweptside pickup http://www.sweptsides.com
59 Dodge Sweptside pickup
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From: Frank Bakanau [mailto:FBAKANAU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 5:05 PM
To: chrysler
Subject: [Chrysler300] Rear Hubs Part 3
To bring you up to date: I am trying to replace the rear seals on my
C-300. My rear drums are not part of the hub, they come off with the
wheel. The hub is keyed on a tapered end of the axle.
I built a MOAP (Mother of All Pullers). This thing could pull apart two
mating Rhinos. It can not pull a hub off an axle. I tried more heat
than I should have, I made a special thrust washer to make tightening
easier, I called it something having to do with Saddam. Nutin. I even
tried the LTHNADLAM (Loosen The Hub Nut And Drive Like A Moron) method.
So I am going to leave the nuts backed off 1 turn, cottered of course,
and drive it for a while. Any other ideas?
Frank the Hubba Bubba.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 10:05:13 -0700
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
Tom,
I think your analysis is spot on. It amazes me to think about how our Letter Cars could have been produced in the limited numbers that they were, and the company still be able to make money. While I can't say that I prefer the current 300 C Hemi car to the design of a couple of years ago, a 4 door version will probably sell better. The same decision was made when the 300M came out and it has been very successful. I believe Chrysler sold more 300Ms in the first 10 months of production than all 10 years of Letter Cars combined.
As far as Daimler Benz's influence on Chrysler (not to be confused with the British Daimler company), I do have some mixed feelings. I do not like the way the merger was structured, and I think Chrysler management allowed DB to "take over". Having said that, It appears to me that if there is going to be a "takeover" or "merger", call it what you will, I'm glad that it was Daimler Benz that did it. I have been a fan of Mercedes Benz automobiles for many years and the company brings with it a rich history of style and engineering excellence, they are the oldest car manufacturer in the world.
Engineering has always been tops on the list at DB as well as Chrysler. They make a good team in that regard. Obviously Daimler Chrysler recognizes the importance of the Chrysler heritage as referenced by the number of projects the company sponsors pertaining to Chrysler heritage, the remanufacturing of parts ('57 1/4 panels) and the like. The Crossfire is a good example of the fusion between the two companies as well.
I guess to summarize, I would say that it is a global economy, and Chrysler is now more a part of that business than they were before in that the Chrysler name is assured of living on, not just in the US but in Europe as well. Unlike Rambler, Studebaker, Packard, Hudson, etc.
Bob J
Chrysler fan from my teenage years, 300G owner from January 1978.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:59:36 EDT
From: LOUISENYLA@xxxxxxx
Subject: Fwd: CENTER HUB FOR A TURBINE WHEEL
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:39:00 -0500
From: Lindsey Fuller <lfuller@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
patrick grant wrote:
>they are wasting their time until they put some FINS on those new versions. and have you ever seen fins on a daimler.? by the way, what is a daimler? has anyone ever seen a daimler?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
> To: wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
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> There are only two pictures of the car, so it might not be a fair assessment, but I'd have to say, "Sorry, try again". I've been saving up for the Hemi C convert concept from a couple years ago. Now, that's my idea of a new letter car. NO FOUR DOORS, unless they want to bring back the 'non-letter' 300 designation (as I believe they should have with the original M).
> Just one mans opinion. I currently own a G vert, and a C coupe, but have owned a 55 C300, G coupe, 62 non-letter, and 70 Hurst in the past.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Graefen [mailto:wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:29 AM
> To: Intl 300
> Subject: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
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> Click the link to see the new 300C from Chrysler!
>
> http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5945
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> When you have seen the car and read the article, I have a hunch there will be some comments from among the members, particularly those who own the ORIGINAL 300C.
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> Ahem, ahem.
> Wayne
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Currently Daimler is a four seat full console version of the stretched
XJ fullsize jag sold in the UK. Similar to the Vanden Plas sold in N.
America except the vp has a rear bench seat. They are very nice daily
drivers but I prefer my F for sheer torque & excitement. Then again I
can afford to feed the jag on a regular basis.
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:57:57 EDT
From: LOUISENYLA@xxxxxxx
Subject: 1969 CHRYSLER CENTER CAP
Hi members,
In need of some help from my fellow members,,, I recently acquired a 1969 300
and I have a set of aluminum turbine wheels that have plastic five hole
center caps with "Chrysler Corporation" center emblem, however I only have
three I am in need of one more.
Thanks Teddy and Louise
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:50:28 -0400
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: PS Pump Seal
Anyone have a source for the '57 (Thompson) power steering pump reservoir ring seal? I don't find it listed separately in the parts book ... only a seal kit.
Park Waldrop
C cpe - Atlanta
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:12:52 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: NEW 300C from Chrysler!
I absolutly agree with you...every word.
If all would vote with their wallets, the problem would be solved. I'm
Detroits worst nightmare, I've owned 70+ cars and only 1 was bought new. I
buy and drive what pleases the inner me (there must be 2 inner me's latly),
in all these years, there's only been 1 4 door, and that was given to me for
parts.
Even tho the last 25 years of my working life was spent working for dealers,
I couldn't get excited enough about the yearly offerings to buy one. The
exception wos our 90 Voyager, which we bought to be able to take our ageing
parents around. It just turned over 250,000 miles, used daily, and going
strong.
So complain to Detroit, and don't buy the bland stuff "they" say we want,
and maybe they'll get our message.
Ray
> From: "Krikhaar, Alex" <Akrikhaar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:01:37 -0500
> To: 'Ray Jones' <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>, doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx,
> Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
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> Well Ray, we're not all 65ish - I'm 38, and ugly is ugly no matter what age
> you are, just like a four door sedan is a four door sedan no matter what
> name you slap on it. I guess at least this car has 300 HP, as any 300
> should, but the design looks more like an armored vehicle than anything
> else. Certainly doesn't have the nice lines of the 300's our club represent.
> Let's hope that someone at Chrysler will come out with a nice 2-door and
> convertible, I for one don't believe that the market would not want to see a
> real 300 reborn - a 4-door version of what should be a 2-door car just isn't
> right (anyone remember the "68 T-bird?).
>
> Alex Krikhaar
> 300F
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Jones [mailto:hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 4:38 PM
> To: doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] NEW 300C from Chrysler!
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> "Point being, we're 65ish, and graduated Hi school in
> 1956...when all the hot rods and mean street machines were being "borned".
> Can't be many of the 50-60's guys left now...."
>
> Ray Jones....See ya in Battle Creek!
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:12:46 -0700
From: Chuck McGill <chuxter@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: SB 708 Update
Good News guys,
Just got this at tonights mopar club meeting.
http://www.bakersfield.com/local/story/2952664p-2987276c.html
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 21:39:32 -0700
From: Chuck McGill <chuxter@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Here is the artical (SB 708)
Me again,
One of my browsers goes directly to the artical and the other one
takes me to the 'login' page. Here is the artical from the Bakersfield
Californian. Enjoy.
Florez reverses on classic car smog rules
By VIC POLLARD, Californian Sacramento Bureau
e-mail: vpollard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Tuesday April 15, 2003, 11:08:44 PM
SACRAMENTO -- With Jay Leno and the rest of California's classic car
buffs on his case, State Sen. Dean Florez has dropped his proposal to
require smog checks for cars as old as 1958 models.
Leno, "The Tonight Show" host who has a large collection of vintage
autos, personally called Florez's office to lobby against the plan.
The lawmaker was also inundated with letters, e-mails and phone calls
from many other members of the highly organized hobby car community.
One of their tools was a cartoon depicting Florez in his state-leased
SUV chasing classic cars out of California.
Florez was forced to back down on the bill, one in a package of 10 bills
aimed at cleaning up the air in the Central Valley, before it even got
its first legislative hearing.
The bill, SB 708, isn't dead, but it has been amended to crack down on
cars that emit visible smoke. Originally, it called for requiring
regular smog checks and repairs for cars up to 45 model years old. If in
effect this year, it would apply to cars made in 1958 or later. That
would have replaced the state's existing exemption for cars older than
30 model years, which this year is 1973.
"Given all the fights we have on all the other air pollution bills,"
Florez said, "it wasn't going to help to push that one."
He said classic car fans made a convincing argument that most of the
oldest cars on the road, while they may be some of the worst polluters,
aren't usually driven to and from work daily.
"We told the classic car folks that we're going to continue to talk to
them," Florez continued, "but that was just too much of a detailed type
of proposal."
Florez's legislative aide, Michael Rubio, said Leno called after reading
a newspaper article about the smog bills.
"He said he wanted to know what the deal was with (SB) 708," Rubio said.
"Several days later, he called back and said, 'You've got me thinking
now.' And I said 'Can I start at the beginning?'"
He said Leno listened carefully and discussed his thoughts on the smog
problem and the bill at some length, urging Florez to carefully
distinguish between older cars that are driven for basic transportation
and those that are merely exhibited most of the time.
Other problems, he said, are the difficulty of getting repair parts for
older cars and the fact that emission controls were not mandated on cars
until the late 1960s.
The same arguments were made by the classic car community's chief
lobbyist, Steve McDonald of the Special Equipment Marketing Association,
a trade group of manufacturers, retailers, publishers and restorers.
"Obviously we're thrilled that the senator has agreed to modify the
legislation and refocus the target on what we believe is a more
effective one, that being smoking vehicles," McDonald said.
So are hobbyists like Jan VanderPool of Bakersfield, who, with his
fiancee, owns three vintage Ford Mustangs.
"That's definitely a big relief to me," he said.
VanderPool said it took years and a lot of effort to get the rolling
exemption from smog checks for cars that are more than 30 years old
enacted in 1997.
Florez and his staff appeared surprised, if not shellshocked, at the
size and aggressiveness of the lobbying campaign against the smog check
proposal.
But it was no surprise to VanderPool, who has been through similar
drills before when legislation was proposed that helped or hurt car
hobbyists.
"A lot of us have had to get pretty political," he said. "We've had to
get active and kind of watch our backs."
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