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There are 18 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: 1965 300
From: "Don Warnaar" <300country@xxxxxxx>
2. Re: P&G Valve Gapper
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: Transmission Leak help
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: Transmission Leak help
From: ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx
5. Pan gasket - Transmission Leak help
From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: Transmission Leak help
From: hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx
7. trans gasket
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Transmission Leak help
From: SADuggan@xxxxxxx
9. Re: 1965 300
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Forward Magazine
From: "john dahlin" <kaldad1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Rick Carroll and Alan Girdler articles
From: doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx
12. Re: Transmission Leak help
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. car's name ?
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. C300 oil capacity
From: "Frank Bakanau" <FBAKANAU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
15. 300 Pacsetter for sale
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
16. To Ram or not to Ram
From: SADuggan@xxxxxxx
17. Re: Pan gasket - Transmission Leak help
From: "Chris and TJ" <flip7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
18. Chrysler 300 Hurst for sale
From: hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:23:39 -0500
From: "Don Warnaar" <300country@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 1965 300
Hi Joe,
I am the 300L Consultant for the club and the original owner of an L.
Your serial number will confirm whether your car is a Letter Series or not.
In the meantime, both letter and non-letter cars has badges on the back
quarters. On letter cars, they were simple rectangular badges and looked
quite similar to those on New Yorkers, but with "300" on them. The
non-letter 300s had red and blue badges that resembled the center portion of
the grille and the badges on the door panels just below the windows.
As stated by other replies, the L grille has the running light with red,
white and blue circle surrounding the lens, and the 300L medallion on the
gas filler door.
Send the VIN and we can give you exact information.
Welcome to the club.
Don Warnaar
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:57:32 -0700
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: P&G Valve Gapper
>Here is a link that puts the P&G capabilities into perspective:
>
>http://www.dragracingonline.com/technical/camsession/ii_4.html
>
>Read the last part for the ultimate conclusions.
>
>George
This is a very interesting article. The story does provide some answer to
the posted question of late concerning solid lifter valve train clearances
and what will happen if clearances are varied up/down a couple of thou.
If the intent is to measure valve clearance down to .002 in. tolerances,
some accurate means of measuring must be used. In some cases, a step blade
feeler gauge, I think, will work quite well. However, valve train components
do wear and this will make the flat gauge (and especially the single blade
thickness) method of setting valve clearances not as accurate as the travel
method utilized by the P&G gapper. I have seen some applications where this
device did what very careful flat gauge work wouldn't.
Warren Anderson
Sedona,AZ
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:21:57 -0700
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Transmission Leak help
>That's why when I bring an old car to a mechanic to work on, I've already
>diagnosed the problem and have the replacement part sitting on the front
>seat. All they have to do is install it.
>
>Ron
There are shops that will let customers bring in their own parts. Part of
the legitimate income for an automotive repair facility comes from the
selling of parts. There might well be an adjustment in the labor charge to
off set this loss in the case where the customer brings in his own 'steak
and eggs' and asks the shop to cook them.
Where we run into difficulty with this scenario is in who pays when
something goes wrong with the part or in the customer derived diagnosis?
Warren Anderson
Sedona,AZ
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:34:04 +0000
From: ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Transmission Leak help
Warren -
It probably comes down to having a good working relationship with the shop. If
you've given the shop a lot of business in the past and they see that you know
what you're talking about, then they may not mind you bringing your own 'steak
and eggs' and having them fry them up. Also, if you've helped them secure
parts for a customer that they couldn't have found without you, they are more
likely to be cooperative.
Ron
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:53:35 -0500
From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Pan gasket - Transmission Leak help
Hiya experts. Was hoping someone had handy a source (and/or NAPA model#) for pan gaskets for both the '57 iron torqueflight and the '62 alum. torqueflight (both 3-spd).
My NAPA guys are stumped....and I'm leaky.
Many thanks! mv
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From: ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:34 AM
To: Warren R Anderson
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Iamonesurfer@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Transmission Leak help
Warren -
It probably comes down to having a good working relationship with the shop. If
you've given the shop a lot of business in the past and they see that you know
what you're talking about, then they may not mind you bringing your own 'steak
and eggs' and having them fry them up. Also, if you've helped them secure
parts for a customer that they couldn't have found without you, they are more
likely to be cooperative.
Ron
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:58:46 -0500
From: hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Transmission Leak help
Right on Warren!
As a retired Tech for Acura (and other Jap cars), I ran into this from
time to time. I refused to do it this way. As Warren said, who pays if
the part is bad, but more importantly, the diagnosis is usually wrong.
generally it's a WAG, and the customer is ripped when the car's not
fixed, therefore, it's gotta be our fault.
What really got me was the customers who came in on the hook, and when
given the diagnosis, stated "that's not right, the tow truck driver said
such and such was bad.." I would just ask why thsy belived this expert
diagnositian who was laying on his back in the snow for $5. an hour, and
not me who had the training on their car?
Of course on the old cars, it's easier to diagnos most problems than it
is on today's cars.
Arkie Ray Jones
Hope to see all y'all in Battle Creek this June.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:24:40 -0600
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: trans gasket
Just checked with my NAPA guy (sure glad he's an old timer!) His old book shows all 55-61 3speed T/flite as using the same gasket 1-4433. It's factory class and will have to be ordered.
Dave Schwandt
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:13:23 EST
From: SADuggan@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Transmission Leak help
I do most of the work to my own cars, but occationally I will bring my cars
to the shop with the part. It is important to have a good relationship with
the shop. As a business owner I know the importance of being able to mark up
materials. I always agree to a special labor rate which is higher than the
normal. It's best to trust the shop because I leave them with no
responsibility. Misdiagnosis, my problem, bad part, my problem,
misinstallation, my problem again. You've goto trust who you're dealing with
and they have to trust you. Business is business.
Sean Duggan
Los Angeles
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:59:37 -0800
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 1965 300
I have two non-letter '65 300's and as a few other members have pointed out
the Vin# is the best way to be sure. However there are several trim
differences that should be givaways in determining if the car is an 'L' or
not. The obvious differences are the grille and tail panels as well as the
quarter panel emblems. The non-letter 300 also has different lower body trim
that encorporates three 'grille' type decorations beginning behind the front
wheelwells and extending half way down the doors.(They are pot metal and
chromed) The upper stainless trim of an 'L' has a red pinstripe whereas the
non-letter doesn't. You will also find there is no 'L' emblem on the console
door of a non-letter car and I have never heard of an 'L' having anything
but the 413 powerplant. Keep in mind though that non-letter cars were
available with the 413.
Ryan Hill , Vancouver
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:19:11 -0800
From: "john dahlin" <kaldad1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Forward Magazine
I just got my copy over the weekend. There is a good article on the first
300s by our own club member Karl Pippart II. Kudos karl
john
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:23:39 -0700
From: doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Rick Carroll and Alan Girdler articles
Hi list,
A while ago I agreed to photocopy the three-part 1961 article in Car and Driver called "The Beautiful Brute" along with a wonderful 1970 article by Alan Girdler called "The Lettercar Remembered."
So I (finally) found the magazines and made the copies. Next question is, who do I send them to?
Cheers,
Doug Jones
Boulder Creek, CA just upwind from Jett Ranch
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From: mwl1967@xxxxxxx [mailto:mwl1967@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:10 AM
To: Iamonesurfer@xxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Chrysler300] Trans Cable Leak Fix
Dee "J",
I've had leaking shift / park cables and found it due to:
1. The "O" ring where it fits into the trans... this is easily replaced if
you've got a generic assortment of rings.
2. A spot in the cable housing that has worn through due to rubbing against
something under the car for many years or melted through because it laid on
the exhaust pipe... If this is the case you can save the cable and not sweat
having to find a replacement.
- remove the cable from the car.. both from the trans and the
pushbuttons ( if you peek under the dash with a flashlight you'll see it's no
big deal to remove from the button assembly )
- clean the cable , degreaser, laquer thinner, whatever
- replace the "O" ring on the trans end
- find the spot where the cable housing has worn through and get some
electrical heat shrink tubing, slide it over the damaged area and seal it
with a heat gun etc. This will seal the leak but take it one step further to
protect the cable ...
- Get perhaps 4 feet of 5/16th rubber fuel hose and now spray the
trans shift cable and the inside of the rubber fuel line with silicone or
WD40. Slide the fuel line over the shift cable, put a clamp on each end and
youre done. Leak gone... cable protected. Just don't go looking for points
at a concourse judging.
good luck,
Mike Laiserin
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:30:33 -0700
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Transmission Leak help
>Of course on the old cars, it's easier to diagnos most problems than it
>is on today's cars.
>
>Arkie Ray Jones
>
>Hope to see all y'all in Battle Creek this June.
The popular myth, it would seem, is that there is some magical computer that
can be connected to the 'modern' car and all the problems will be
identified. If only that was true.
Warren Anderson
Sedona,AZ
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:45:14 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: car's name ?
To all:
Gloria Moon, being a troublemaker, e-mailed me the following: "I wonder how
people name their cars.... that might prove to be an interesting listserver
question" . Fine, be that way, Gloria, co-owner of "Thirsty" the 300 Hurst !
I hereby request Club members reading this to e-mail me back PRIVATELY
(crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) with the following info:
1/ Their full name.
2/ Year and model of car.
3/ Car's name.
4/ Very short statement explaining choice of name, only if you so desire.
Based on replies, I will compile a list, and, when all responses are in,
communicate the results to the group. Replies must only pertain to Chrysler
300's . And, PLEASE, no reply through listserver! Please reply to me
PRIVATELY at : crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks
John Hertog
Sag Harbor, NY
32 degrees and snowing
owner of "Golden", 300G and "Refin", 300G convert.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:27:35 -0800
From: "Frank Bakanau" <FBAKANAU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: C300 oil capacity
I don't have my manual yet, so a basic question is how many quarts does this
thing take. I always change the oil & filter on an unknown engine. I put
is 6 qts of my favorite oil, and it still doesn't show on the dip stick. Of
course, I have no idea if the dipstick is correct for this engine. Anyway,
thanks for your help. Oh, does anyone know of an after market spin on
filter adapter?? That's the last time I want to change that @#$%^% can
type.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:52:49 -0600
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300 Pacsetter for sale
Hi Gang,
The widow of a former owner of our F has her husbands '63 for sale. Sounds like a decent driver needing not too much work. You can e-mail her at LBG@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or call 406-635-5388 Car located in eastern Montana. More details will be on the web site and newsletter soon.
Thanks
Dave Schwandt
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:12:58 EST
From: SADuggan@xxxxxxx
Subject: To Ram or not to Ram
Hi all,
I finally started working on my 300 J. My first order of business is to start
the engine to see where it stands. I have no idea how long it's been since it
ran. Definatly not this decade maybe not the decade before. The engine's not
frozen, but at one time a mouse (or mice) took up residence in the rams. I
vacuumed them out but I thought it best to remove them to make sure nothing
foreign was lodged in the cylinder heads. Luckily the visiter never climbed
all the way down the rams.
My 3505s are freshly rebuilt, but I was wondering if it would be better to
start the engine with a four barrel? I have an extra four barrel manifold
with a decent (not great) carb. If it's better to start the car with a four
barrel, what do I do with the four smokestacks on either side of engine?
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:01:08 -0800
From: "Chris and TJ" <flip7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Pan gasket - Transmission Leak help
Michael,
I don't know about your 57 but I used a NAPA 1-7957 gasket/filter kit on my
62. Of course all I needed was a gasket. The kit comes with two types of
gaskets and the filter. Perhaps the other gasket will work on the 57. The
filter is a throw away unless you have something without the mesh screen
built in the late 60s or newer. If I remember right it was about $11. The
number (1-4433) David Schwandt gave you could be for the gasket only.
Chris Filipietz
Rosamond CA
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:33:26 -0500
From: hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Chrysler 300 Hurst for sale
Hi all;
Rene Kroeger has a Hurst for sale. He drove this car home from Arizona
many years ago, and not used since. It's a 100% complete car, with rusty
1/4 panel bottoms at least. Not a consol car. It will make a good driver
with some work.
Asking $3,000 obo.
Rene can be reached on his cell phone: 1-515-314-1942 He's on the road
to the St. Louis area now.
300 l'y, Ray Jones in AR
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