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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. test
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
2. test
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
3. Re: Fuel line flare?
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. rear axle shaft leak and shims ('57 Imp)
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. brake return springs (57-59)
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: Fuel line flare?
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: [FWDLK] rear axle shaft leak and shims ('57 Imp)
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:04:53 -0700
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: test
300ly,
Don
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 10:09:08 -0700
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: test
300ly,
Don
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 09:40:35 -0700
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel line flare?
It's called a "double flaring tool" it should be available at most parts
houses or tool rental outfits. They are easy to figure out and with a
little practice you can turn out some really nice looking fuel and brake
lines.If you work it just right, you can use it to recreate the little
bulge on the end of the tube where rubber hose slips over to connect it to
the tank.
Mike
At 12:12 PM 7/6/02 +1200, Owen & Jo Grigg wrote:
>My old 300C fuel line has a type of internal flare (sorry I don't know
the
>correct name) on the pump end, should it have one on the tank end as
well?
>Also how the heck do I put these in the new line, what sort of tool do I
>need and where can I get one? Been told it is similar to a "crox tool"(?)
>that they use in plumbing but would have to be much smaller for a 5/16
>fuel line.
>Thanks in advance for the help.
>Owen
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 22:03:50 +0200
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: rear axle shaft leak and shims ('57 Imp)
I've some problem on my '57 Imperial: a leak of axle oil in the
left drum after my 1000 miles trip in May. First thought was to
blame the inner oil seal (which was replaced when i restored the
car) but after some checks it seems that the axle shaft has a lot
of transversal play so the following culprit was the outer
bearings. If the bearing goes bad, the inner (and outer) oil seal
goes bad.. I order the seals and the bearings (2788A-2735X,
specific to Imperial..) and today i remove the axle shafts.
Surprise ! There was a big axial play, at least 0.15 inch on each
axle shaft between cup and bearing.. The inner oil seal was
completly destroyed, the rubber/spring seal part was laying
around the axle completly separated of its housing !
I discovered that when i restore the axle, i forgotten to put the
"preload" shim: when you remove the rear brake plate you find
between brake support and axle shaft flange: a thick shim (around
1/10 inch) and "shimming" plates (various dimensions from 0.010
to 0.030). The "shims" have a large bore, larger than the bearing
cup, the "thick shim" has a smaller diameter equal to the bearing
cup. So when you 'shim" rear axle shaft, you add shim plates
between axle flange and "thick plate" which (with brake support)
preloads the bearing (according to FSM you must have a 0.013 to
0.018 end play at each axle).
And i forgotten to use this plate ! So the bearing was only
preload with the brake support.. Not very good as the brake
support is thin .. You'll not find in the FSM this "thick" plate
with smaller bore, itsn't also in the Parts manual (no # part)
but i had in my garage since two years 2 "shims" hanged to a
nail.. As i removed the axle 6 years ago i forgotten them !
Now i have a 0.007 end play, smaller than origin but with driving
i think i'll have a 0.013 in some miles..
Other thought: the outer bearing has no provision to grease it
from outside. It is enclosed between inner and outer oil seals so
no oil lubrication except leaks... So how to grease it (it is not
very easy to remove axle shafts..) ? Itsn't a sealed bearing or a
"life" warranty bearing.. No indications in the FSM lubrication
chapter. I've put a lot of grease ..
If someone needs 2788A-2735X bearings i've a pair of new Timken
...(bought from Dallas seller, thanks John !). And no thank to
Andy Ber... who sent me wrong (outer) oil seals, no bearings and
wrong filters for a friend..
--
Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)
Imperial 57 Crown convertible
Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
- Chrysler Imperial France : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " :
http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 23:24:37 +0200
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: brake return springs (57-59)
Hi,
(about 12 x 2 1/2 " drums) Where do you hook the brake return
spring at shoe ?
- In the hole of the shoe web ?
- in the loop of the shoe ?
Seems (according to FSM) that at front brake it's in the hole and
at rear it's in the loop. Is there any difference ?
--
Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)
Imperial 57 Crown convertible
Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
- Chrysler Imperial France : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " :
http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 10:27:36 +1200
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fuel line flare?
Mike and all,
Thanks for all your help with this, I better explain myself better, this
is
not a brake line flare. The best comparison I can think of is the water
outlets on a radiator. It "bulges" out near the end, to stop the hose clip
from slipping.
Owen
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>; <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Fuel line flare?
> It's called a "double flaring tool" it should be available at most parts
> houses or tool rental outfits. They are easy to figure out and with a
> little practice you can turn out some really nice looking fuel and brake
> lines.If you work it just right, you can use it to recreate the little
> bulge on the end of the tube where rubber hose slips over to connect it
to
> the tank.
>
> Mike
>
> At 12:12 PM 7/6/02 +1200, Owen & Jo Grigg wrote:
> >My old 300C fuel line has a type of internal flare (sorry I don't know
the
> >correct name) on the pump end, should it have one on the tank end as
well?
> >Also how the heck do I put these in the new line, what sort of tool do
I
> >need and where can I get one? Been told it is similar to a "crox
tool"(?)
> >that they use in plumbing but would have to be much smaller for a 5/16
> >fuel line.
> >Thanks in advance for the help.
> >Owen
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >To send a message to this group, send an email to:
> >Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:04:05 +1200
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [FWDLK] rear axle shaft leak and shims ('57 Imp)
There is a mis-print in the workshop manual, the rear axle end play on
your
'57, is .003"- 008" NOT .013-018".
I just did my rear axle and tryed to acheive between .003-.005" as things
tend to loosen up over time.
Owen
----- Original Message -----
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 8:03 AM
Subject: [FWDLK] rear axle shaft leak and shims ('57 Imp)
> I've some problem on my '57 Imperial: a leak of axle oil in the
> left drum after my 1000 miles trip in May. First thought was to
> blame the inner oil seal (which was replaced when i restored the
> car) but after some checks it seems that the axle shaft has a lot
> of transversal play so the following culprit was the outer
> bearings. If the bearing goes bad, the inner (and outer) oil seal
> goes bad.. I order the seals and the bearings (2788A-2735X,
> specific to Imperial..) and today i remove the axle shafts.
> Surprise ! There was a big axial play, at least 0.15 inch on each
> axle shaft between cup and bearing.. The inner oil seal was
> completly destroyed, the rubber/spring seal part was laying
> around the axle completly separated of its housing !
> I discovered that when i restore the axle, i forgotten to put the
> "preload" shim: when you remove the rear brake plate you find
> between brake support and axle shaft flange: a thick shim (around
> 1/10 inch) and "shimming" plates (various dimensions from 0.010
> to 0.030). The "shims" have a large bore, larger than the bearing
> cup, the "thick shim" has a smaller diameter equal to the bearing
> cup. So when you 'shim" rear axle shaft, you add shim plates
> between axle flange and "thick plate" which (with brake support)
> preloads the bearing (according to FSM you must have a 0.013 to
> 0.018 end play at each axle).
> And i forgotten to use this plate ! So the bearing was only
> preload with the brake support.. Not very good as the brake
> support is thin .. You'll not find in the FSM this "thick" plate
> with smaller bore, itsn't also in the Parts manual (no # part)
> but i had in my garage since two years 2 "shims" hanged to a
> nail.. As i removed the axle 6 years ago i forgotten them !
> Now i have a 0.007 end play, smaller than origin but with driving
> i think i'll have a 0.013 in some miles..
>
> Other thought: the outer bearing has no provision to grease it
> from outside. It is enclosed between inner and outer oil seals so
> no oil lubrication except leaks... So how to grease it (it is not
> very easy to remove axle shafts..) ? Itsn't a sealed bearing or a
> "life" warranty bearing.. No indications in the FSM lubrication
> chapter. I've put a lot of grease ..
>
> If someone needs 2788A-2735X bearings i've a pair of new Timken
> ...(bought from Dallas seller, thanks John !). And no thank to
> Andy Ber... who sent me wrong (outer) oil seals, no bearings and
> wrong filters for a friend..
>
> --
> Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)
> Imperial 57 Crown convertible
> Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
>
> - American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
>
> - Chrysler Imperial France : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
>
> - Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " :
> http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
>
> - SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
>
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