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Topics in this digest:
1. RE: 300N
From: Mark Souders <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Cars for sale
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Volunteer needed
From: joebril@xxxxxxx
4. Re: Volunteer needed
From: Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: DaimlerChrysler Announcement
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
6. Mercedes 1937 Hemi - 625 Horsepower
From: joebril@xxxxxxx
7. Telling DC what you think
From: "Charles M. Kreszock" <kreszockcm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Right hand, left hand.
From: Marshall Larson <yelof@xxxxxxxx>
9. New 5.7 Liter true Hemi.
From: Marshall Larson <yelof@xxxxxxxx>
10. Re: hemi
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
11. for sale
From: Phil Greenfeld <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: hemi
From: "Dave Grove Grove Automotive" <groveautomotive@xxxxxx>
13. Re: 300F Chrome
From: John Spiers <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: DaimlerChrysler Announcement
From: "D. Moore" <dintym@xxxxxxxxx>
15. Re: Volunteer needed
From: jbegian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
16. Re; Right hand, left hand
From: KEN WILSON <jblken@xxxxxxxxxxx>
17. 440 to 500 ci engine
From: greektruck@xxxxxxx
18. Re: 300F Chrome
From: Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
19. Re: Right hand, left hand.
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
20. 300H taillight gaskets
From: Randall Patterson <randalllp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
21. tilt wheel coupling
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:44:32 -0500
From: Mark Souders <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: 300N
Do you mean with "Oh my God !" size fins ?????
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hannon, John MAJ [SMTP:JHannon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:08 AM
> To: 'pennsy300@xxxxxxx'; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 300N
>
>
>
> According to "AutoWeek" magazine from two months ago it WILL BE
> TITLED THE 'N' and it's supposed to be Rear Wheel drive again. Rumor has
> it
> they want that new Hemi in it eventually too. I sure hope the pump up the
> "family resemblence" to the Real 300's.
>
> JH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pennsy300@xxxxxxx [mailto:pennsy300@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 9:38 AM
> To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Chrysler300] 300N
>
>
> <PRE>My daughter (who is in the automotive business) attended the advanced
>
> Chrysler dealer's meeting in Las Vegas last week, and saw the new 300N.
> She
>
> claims that Chrysler called it the "300C'. Also she said that Chrysler
> had
> a
> 300F on display for the meeting. Does anybody know anything about this?
>
> McTaggart
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:29:03 -0600
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Cars for sale
Hi all;
Rene Kroeger has 2 cars that he's had for many years up for sale. Says he
just can't get to them and the're too nice not to be on the road. Call him
for more details, the # below is his cell phone, right now he's on I-24
coming from GA to WI with 2 'Cuda's.
Give these cars a new home!
1968 Chrysler 300 2dr HT
California car NO rust, strieght body, poor original green paint, blavck
interior, 440 with A/C, not running (stored many years)
$1750.00
1960 Chrysler New yorker 4 dr
Western car, NO rust, poor original Red w/White top paint, poor interior,
very streight body, 413 4bbl, again many years storage.
$2250.00
He can be reached @ 515-314-1942 anytime 24 hrs a day.
He can also deliver anywhere and can export if needed.
You can e-mail me if all else fails, and I'll get ahold of him, we talk
several times a week.
Thanks, Ray Jones, see ya in Battle Creek!
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:26:37 EST
From: joebril@xxxxxxx
Subject: Volunteer needed
Members,
Last year, I appealed for somebody in our club to organize an "en masse"
appeal to Chrysler, from the 300 club, to get the Hemi, (which they managed
past Daimler Benz gatekeepers into the Dodge Truck line), into the N.
An appeal to Chrysler with 100 names from a club providing "free marketing"
from their hobby on it isn't statistical proof of demand. But its better than
nothing when the Chrysler "champions" have to justify 2 high-performance
engines being maintained in the car lines, ie the V10 Viper motor and the
Hemi V8.
The accountants may be right...it could be very expensive to have both. Bob
Lutz told me that the reason for the V10 was that the engineers could get it
through the EPA for a car easily due to the same approved "EPA cylinder
model" as the V8.
I don't know if the Hemi in the truck, with lower EPA requirements, levers
the Hemi into the N on a cost basis. I don't know if the cost-cutters are
done at Chrysler and if the marketing people have regained "clout".
I don't have time to organize and do this but I would sign the letter or
approve my name on the e-mail. Is Tom Gale still there? He would be a good
target for the email. A 240 HP "300M" is a nice car, but from marketing
perspective it is a bit of an oximoron, isn't it. A Hemi in an N could have
the same marketing spillover that a special edition Corvette gets for
Chevrolet. Get it to be pace-car of the Indy 500!!
Volunteer with time and experience needed,
Joe Brilando
Proud driver of a C300 (with Corvette carbon fiber disc brakes)
joebril@xxxxxxx
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:45:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Volunteer needed
I think it's out of our hands by this point. The
decisions have been made. As a member of the
automotive press, I've heard D/C officials hinting
around a LOT about the Hemi in the 300N, without
actually admitting it. I would be stunned if they
aren't doing it. Given the product plans of other
automakers, they can either take charge or shoot
Chrysler in the head.
Andy
P.S. I've driven the truck. The new Hemi rocks!
Though I hear there may be some debate on whether it's
truly a "Hemi." Stay tuned...
--- joebril@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Members,
>
> Last year, I appealed for somebody in our club to
> organize an "en masse"
> appeal to Chrysler, from the 300 club, to get the
> Hemi, (which they managed
> past Daimler Benz gatekeepers into the Dodge Truck
> line), into the N.
>
> An appeal to Chrysler with 100 names from a club
> providing "free marketing"
> from their hobby on it isn't statistical proof of
> demand. But its better than
> nothing when the Chrysler "champions" have to
> justify 2 high-performance
> engines being maintained in the car lines, ie the
> V10 Viper motor and the
> Hemi V8.
>
> The accountants may be right...it could be very
> expensive to have both. Bob
> Lutz told me that the reason for the V10 was that
> the engineers could get it
> through the EPA for a car easily due to the same
> approved "EPA cylinder
> model" as the V8.
>
> I don't know if the Hemi in the truck, with lower
> EPA requirements, levers
> the Hemi into the N on a cost basis. I don't know if
> the cost-cutters are
> done at Chrysler and if the marketing people have
> regained "clout".
>
> I don't have time to organize and do this but I
> would sign the letter or
> approve my name on the e-mail. Is Tom Gale still
> there? He would be a good
> target for the email. A 240 HP "300M" is a nice car,
> but from marketing
> perspective it is a bit of an oximoron, isn't it. A
> Hemi in an N could have
> the same marketing spillover that a special edition
> Corvette gets for
> Chevrolet. Get it to be pace-car of the Indy 500!!
>
> Volunteer with time and experience needed,
> Joe Brilando
> Proud driver of a C300 (with Corvette carbon fiber
> disc brakes)
> joebril@xxxxxxx
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 10:25:00 -0800
From: "obiwan10" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DaimlerChrysler Announcement
RE: [Chrysler300] DaimlerChrysler AnnouncementI'll believe it when I see an infomercial for "The Golden Hits of 90's".
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Souders
To: 'obiwan10' ; 'Chrysler 300 Yahoo Group'
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] DaimlerChrysler Announcement
I think it's the resistance to change that makes us more discriminatory when it comes to musical taste. I remember when I was in high school in the early 70s, my brother, sister and I would listen to what was then rock and roll. My dad would say "turn that down! How can you listen to that stuff ?" When my kids were teenagers, I said the same thing to them in the early 90s. Now I hear the junk on the radio and think "my grandchildren will be listening to this noise !"
Along those same lines, last weekend my wife and I were riding along when a kid in a Honda pulled up beside us at a traffic light. This car was slammed down to the ground, had one of those fart pipe exhausts and sounded like a tin can full of pissed off bumble bees. We looked at each other and laughed but then it hit me. This kid has done the same thing to his car that we did in the 70s: personalized his ride. When I was young the coolest car trick was to jack up the rear end with air shocks and put a pair of glass packs on. Of course, there will never be anything as neat as the sound of a big V8 with loud pipes. But today the youth have a completely different array of vehicles to choose from. Since there is nothing out there that compares to Cuda's, Road Runners, Super Bee's, they have to choose from Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, etc. They're relatively cheap and plentiful, and plenty of aftermarket things to trick them out.
So, my point is, there will always be change. When we were younger, change was more easily tolerated. Now that we're older, that tolerance is diminishing, and that's a natural thing.
Happy motoring,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: obiwan10 [SMTP:obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:12 AM
To: SADuggan@xxxxxxx; CHRYSLER300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Mark Souders
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] DaimlerChrysler Announcement
I am sorry for the misunderstanding on my comments on Celine. They were not about the ugly, they were about the music. However I did enjoy your list of artists, though probably would not have put Ms. Warwick there. However she is great as a Psychic Reader infomercial tout.
Incidentally I am not anti-woman in my choice of artists. Loved Patsy Cline.
I do agree with your comments of the music today that clutters up the airwaves. I am not certain why this is(unless the music is really as bad as it sounds) as I get older. I have a theory that just as you lose your ability to learn a new language as you age, perhaps our brain shuts down to many inputs of new experiences(however I do love riding the Harley that I have just acquired and learned to ride and gotten a license at age 62) and perhaps your brain just cannot understand and interpret this noise that you hear as music that you are suppose to enjoy and it just remains noise just as the words from a new language that you are exposed to remains so.
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From: Mark Souders <mailto:souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: 'SADuggan@xxxxxxx' <mailto:'SADuggan@xxxxxxx'> ; CHRYSLER300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:CHRYSLER300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] DaimlerChrysler Announcement
Sean,
This announcement sure generated a lot of response! First I must say: I can
respect everyone's opinion on the subject. About the 20 years thing,
that's the exact same thing they said about Elvis, the Beatles, the Rolling
Stones, the Drifters, Dion Warwick, Waylon Jennings, Jr., Ricky Scaggs, and
the list goes on. All of those guys are much uglier than Celine, and some
are uglier than Richardo, but I don't think it's all about beauty or looks.
I'm not saying I love all of Celine Dion's music but most of it is at least
enjoyable. Her music is a lot better than some of that wanna-be music I
hear cluttering up today's airways. I'm 48 years old and like listening to
the oldies. Celine may not be the most beautiful woman in celebrity status
but as stated earlier, she's an icon and, to some extent, an idol to today's
youth, boomers, yuppies, and soccer moms, all a potential Chrysler market.
I must say, not many celebrities can remove themselves from the limelight
for an extended time and then come back and be better and more popular as
Celine Dion did. I have a lot of respect for anyone who can do what she did
and succeed. I don't think it's as much about looks (lord knows some of
today's Mopars are uglier than the Edsel!) as it is about reaching a varied
and diverse market. Celine's impact is yet to be seen but it might surprise
all of us. We'll have to wait and see.
In conclusion, I think the big D needs to do something to compete with all
those ads we're bombarded with from GM, Ford, Toyota, Lexus, Mitsubishi,
etc. Anything is better than nothing. When I was a teenager, I remember the
TV commercials for the Dodge Boys, the Road Runner, the Rapid Transit
System, etc. and they had an impact on me to the point of craving anything
Mopar. When it was time for me to buy my first car, it could only be a
Dodge. I refused to even look at anything else. It turned out to be a 61
Polara, but it was a Dodge! I was the proudest kid in the neighborhood and
nobody messed with my 361 except the rich kid with the new Challenger.
Those days are long gone but the initial impact lives on. I'll be a Mopar
man forever because of those TV commercials.
Good luck to DaimlerChrysler,
Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADuggan@xxxxxxx [SMTP:SADuggan@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:20 PM
> To: CHRYSLER300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Fwd: [Chrysler300] DaimlerChrysler Announcement
>
> Hi all,
> My two cents, Who is Celine Dion going to appeal to? I don't want to
> offend
> anyone, but in twenty years she is going to be completely forgotten about.
> I
> heard mention of Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash, two people with true
> talent,
> who won't be forgotten. Celine should sell alot of Chryslers to 30
> something
> single women with their clocks ticking, I guess Chrysler thinks thats a
> demographic worth shooting for.
>
> On a more positive note, I do think Chrysler is making good spokesperson
> decisions with the P.T. cruiser. They hired one of my freelance employees
> as
> the spokesperson. He's a great guy and this contract is really going to
> help
> him and his family. He really deserved the break and as with 95% of the
> actors in L.A. he was broke.
>
> Sean Duggan
> Los Angeles
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:54:10 EST
From: joebril@xxxxxxx
Subject: Mercedes 1937 Hemi - 625 Horsepower
Thanks, Andy,
Will Daimler allow a "TRUE CHRYSLER HEMI"?
MERCEDES BENZ produced a supercharged nitro-fuel Hemi in 1937:
Engineer Rudolf Uhlenhaut was chief designer
625 Horsepower from a 5.6 liter straight 8, for the Grand Prix Cars
Fuel included Methyl Alcohol, Nitrobenzine, Sulpheric Ether and some other
goodies
(Inject peroxide, alter the mix, and you'd get rocket fuel)
The W125 with Rudi Carraciola driving set the lap record at Monaco Grand Prix
in 1937 that lasted until 1955.
Grand Prix Board forced engine downsizing after this beast ripped the skinny
cord tires to shreds.
Daimler should support the Chrysler Hemi enthusiasticaly. They emphasize
history in promoting Mercedes automobiles. It would be good marketing to
properly position and promote a hemi in a specialty Chrysler car.
Joe Brilando
joebril@xxxxxxx
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:57:00 -0500
From: "Charles M. Kreszock" <kreszockcm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Telling DC what you think
Club,
I thought Joe Brilando has a good idea. I couldn't find an e-mail
address to send suggestions to, but I located this on the DC web site.
Anyone interested could drop them a line. I'm going to.
Mick
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:10:21 -0600
From: Marshall Larson <yelof@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Right hand, left hand.
If I new that a shop didn't use either a torque wrench or a impact wrench
that is calibrated daily, I would go to one that did. Over torqued or
unevenly torqued lugs can distort the brake drums and cause braking
problems. Discs are more easily distorted than drums.
Marshall
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:49:25 -0600
From: Marshall Larson <yelof@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: New 5.7 Liter true Hemi.
Page 64 of the Oct. issue of Hot Rod has an article about the new Hemi.
It includes cutaways, also pictures of the real engine. The article
claims that "Unlike Mopar's recent NHRA Pro Stock Hemi, the production
5.7L is a true hemisphere design."
Marshall
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:54:18 +1300
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: hemi
> P.S. I've driven the truck. The new Hemi rocks!
> Though I hear there may be some debate on whether it's
> truly a "Hemi." Stay tuned...
>
But then again, as I far as I understand it, the 426 hemi from the "muscle"
era is not a true hemi either, something about the way/angle the plug enters
the combustion chamber.
Owen
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:17:43 -0800
From: Phil Greenfeld <pgreen413@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: for sale
To whom it may concern:
I have in my posession 4- 14 inch wheelcovers for a 67 300.
and I also have 6 or 7 tailights for a 64 chrysler.
If anyone is in need or interseted E-Mail me.
Phil
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:09:43 -0500
From: "Dave Grove Grove Automotive" <groveautomotive@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: hemi
Actually, - the 426 Hemi was just a bit compromised from a "true" Hemi by
the inclination of the exhaust valves. They were layed in a bit more toward
the center of the chamber. As I was told back then (sometime in the 60s)
that this made the engine just narrow enough to clear the shock towers when
installed from below in the normal "production line" fashion.
The spark plugs are centered in the chamber - at least from a "front view",
however, they are offset a bit towards the front or rear of the chamber
(depending on which bank the head is installed).
Regards,
DaveG.
----- Original Message -----
From: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <joebril@xxxxxxx>; Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] hemi
>
>
> > P.S. I've driven the truck. The new Hemi rocks!
> > Though I hear there may be some debate on whether it's
> > truly a "Hemi." Stay tuned...
> >
> But then again, as I far as I understand it, the 426 hemi from the
"muscle"
> era is not a true hemi either, something about the way/angle the plug
enters
> the combustion chamber.
>
> Owen
>
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:52:25 -0800 (PST)
From: John Spiers <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300F Chrome
I was at a classic car meet in Fort Lauderdale last weekend, and one guy (who has 50+ prime collector cars from the 50's) brought his newly-acquired red 1958 New Yorker convertible, 4,800 original miles----It had a "Spring Package" option, which, according to the new owner, included wire wheels, a rear rubber splashguard (like a 40"+ wide by 1" tall version of what you'd see on a 60's station wagon) that was attached under the rear bumper to the chassis, and six horizontal chrome slats on the trunk lid (three on each side of the license plate). I've seen the 2-tone/3-tone Spring packages on the '55s & '56s (non-300s), but did this package ever make it to a 300?
John Spiers
pennsy300@xxxxxxx wrote:<PRE>I agree with Hertog about the chrome doodads on the front fenders and about
the stainless wheel-well mouldings. But what about the little stainless
anti-stone things at the leading edge of the real wheel cutouts in the real
quarter panels? I've seen a LOT of F's with these (my current F has them),
and I can't find them in any of the old literature.
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:58:01 -0800 (PST)
From: "D. Moore" <dintym@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: DaimlerChrysler Announcement
I haven't read all the responses to this topic but this one. For us, it was all US made iron that we drove, not rice burners and such. Forgive me, but I haven't gotten over Pearl Harbor yet.
Dave Moore
obiwan10 <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:RE: [Chrysler300] DaimlerChrysler AnnouncementI'll believe it when I see an infomercial for "The Golden Hits of 90's".
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Souders
To: 'obiwan10' ; 'Chrysler 300 Yahoo Group'
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:58 AM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] DaimlerChrysler Announcement
I think it's the resistance to change that makes us more discriminatory when it comes to musical taste. I remember when I was in high school in the early 70s, my brother, sister and I would listen to what was then rock and roll. My dad would say "turn that down! How can you listen to that stuff ?" When my kids were teenagers, I said the same thing to them in the early 90s. Now I hear the junk on the radio and think "my grandchildren will be listening to this noise !"
Along those same lines, last weekend my wife and I were riding along when a kid in a Honda pulled up beside us at a traffic light. This car was slammed down to the ground, had one of those fart pipe exhausts and sounded like a tin can full of pissed off bumble bees. We looked at each other and laughed but then it hit me. This kid has done the same thing to his car that we did in the 70s: personalized his ride. When I was young the coolest car trick was to jack up the rear end with air shocks and put a pair of glass packs on. Of course, there will never be anything as neat as the sound of a big V8 with loud pipes. But today the youth have a completely different array of vehicles to choose from. Since there is nothing out there that compares to Cuda's, Road Runners, Super Bee's, they have to choose from Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, etc. They're relatively cheap and plentiful, and plenty of aftermarket things to trick them out.
So, my point is, there will always be change. When we were younger, change was more easily tolerated. Now that we're older, that tolerance is diminishing, and that's a natural thing.
Happy motoring,
Mark
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Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:12 AM
To: SADuggan@xxxxxxx; CHRYSLER300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Mark Souders
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] DaimlerChrysler Announcement
I am sorry for the misunderstanding on my comments on Celine. They were not about the ugly, they were about the music. However I did enjoy your list of artists, though probably would not have put Ms. Warwick there. However she is great as a Psychic Reader infomercial tout.
Incidentally I am not anti-woman in my choice of artists. Loved Patsy Cline.
I do agree with your comments of the music today that clutters up the airwaves. I am not certain why this is(unless the music is really as bad as it sounds) as I get older. I have a theory that just as you lose your ability to learn a new language as you age, perhaps our brain shuts down to many inputs of new experiences(however I do love riding the Harley that I have just acquired and learned to ride and gotten a license at age 62) and perhaps your brain just cannot understand and interpret this noise that you hear as music that you are suppose to enjoy and it just remains noise just as the words from a new language that you are exposed to remains so.
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From: Mark Souders <mailto:souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: 'SADuggan@xxxxxxx' <mailto:'SADuggan@xxxxxxx'> ; CHRYSLER300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:CHRYSLER300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 5:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] DaimlerChrysler Announcement
Sean,
This announcement sure generated a lot of response! First I must say: I can
respect everyone's opinion on the subject. About the 20 years thing,
that's the exact same thing they said about Elvis, the Beatles, the Rolling
Stones, the Drifters, Dion Warwick, Waylon Jennings, Jr., Ricky Scaggs, and
the list goes on. All of those guys are much uglier than Celine, and some
are uglier than Richardo, but I don't think it's all about beauty or looks.
I'm not saying I love all of Celine Dion's music but most of it is at least
enjoyable. Her music is a lot better than some of that wanna-be music I
hear cluttering up today's airways. I'm 48 years old and like listening to
the oldies. Celine may not be the most beautiful woman in celebrity status
but as stated earlier, she's an icon and, to some extent, an idol to today's
youth, boomers, yuppies, and soccer moms, all a potential Chrysler market.
I must say, not many celebrities can remove themselves from the limelight
for an extended time and then come back and be better and more popular as
Celine Dion did. I have a lot of respect for anyone who can do what she did
and succeed. I don't think it's as much about looks (lord knows some of
today's Mopars are uglier than the Edsel!) as it is about reaching a varied
and diverse market. Celine's impact is yet to be seen but it might surprise
all of us. We'll have to wait and see.
In conclusion, I think the big D needs to do something to compete with all
those ads we're bombarded with from GM, Ford, Toyota, Lexus, Mitsubishi,
etc. Anything is better than nothing. When I was a teenager, I remember the
TV commercials for the Dodge Boys, the Road Runner, the Rapid Transit
System, etc. and they had an impact on me to the point of craving anything
Mopar. When it was time for me to buy my first car, it could only be a
Dodge. I refused to even look at anything else. It turned out to be a 61
Polara, but it was a Dodge! I was the proudest kid in the neighborhood and
nobody messed with my 361 except the rich kid with the new Challenger.
Those days are long gone but the initial impact lives on. I'll be a Mopar
man forever because of those TV commercials.
Good luck to DaimlerChrysler,
Mark
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> Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:20 PM
> To: CHRYSLER300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Fwd: [Chrysler300] DaimlerChrysler Announcement
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> Hi all,
> My two cents, Who is Celine Dion going to appeal to? I don't want to
> offend
> anyone, but in twenty years she is going to be completely forgotten about.
> I
> heard mention of Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash, two people with true
> talent,
> who won't be forgotten. Celine should sell alot of Chryslers to 30
> something
> single women with their clocks ticking, I guess Chrysler thinks thats a
> demographic worth shooting for.
>
> On a more positive note, I do think Chrysler is making good spokesperson
> decisions with the P.T. cruiser. They hired one of my freelance employees
> as
> the spokesperson. He's a great guy and this contract is really going to
> help
> him and his family. He really deserved the break and as with 95% of the
> actors in L.A. he was broke.
>
> Sean Duggan
> Los Angeles
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:09:05 -0500
From: jbegian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Volunteer needed
As a current DCX employee, I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you see the N
next January. Many people have been concerned about the German influence of DCX.
however, our current CFO was the head of AMG, and he does like performance, that is why
PVO(Performance Vehicle Operations) was created. That is why there are SRT4 Neons coming
in January, and some REALLY FAST trucks coming next year, and other products that should
help our image as a company. Let me just suggest that your "en masse" appeal could be
moot at this point.
And by the way, who says the HEMI is too expensive? Just might be that the 4.7L HO in the
current Grand Cherokee might cost more than a 5.7L...
Stay tuned for more fun in '03...
John
joebril@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Members,
>
> Last year, I appealed for somebody in our club to organize an "en masse"
> appeal to Chrysler, from the 300 club, to get the Hemi, (which they managed
> past Daimler Benz gatekeepers into the Dodge Truck line), into the N.
>
> An appeal to Chrysler with 100 names from a club providing "free marketing"
> from their hobby on it isn't statistical proof of demand. But its better than
> nothing when the Chrysler "champions" have to justify 2 high-performance
> engines being maintained in the car lines, ie the V10 Viper motor and the
> Hemi V8.
>
> The accountants may be right...it could be very expensive to have both. Bob
> Lutz told me that the reason for the V10 was that the engineers could get it
> through the EPA for a car easily due to the same approved "EPA cylinder
> model" as the V8.
>
> I don't know if the Hemi in the truck, with lower EPA requirements, levers
> the Hemi into the N on a cost basis. I don't know if the cost-cutters are
> done at Chrysler and if the marketing people have regained "clout".
>
> I don't have time to organize and do this but I would sign the letter or
> approve my name on the e-mail. Is Tom Gale still there? He would be a good
> target for the email. A 240 HP "300M" is a nice car, but from marketing
> perspective it is a bit of an oximoron, isn't it. A Hemi in an N could have
> the same marketing spillover that a special edition Corvette gets for
> Chevrolet. Get it to be pace-car of the Indy 500!!
>
> Volunteer with time and experience needed,
> Joe Brilando
> Proud driver of a C300 (with Corvette carbon fiber disc brakes)
> joebril@xxxxxxx
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:56:04 -0800
From: KEN WILSON <jblken@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re; Right hand, left hand
Everything went well when the tire shop put tires on my 62 sport 300 -
after I informed them that there are left hand lug nuts on the car (I
did watch the tire removal and installation). They also use torque
wrenches to finish tighten the lugs rather then the air wrench.
For me the best part was standing back enjoying frustration the
mechanic was having, sitting behind the wheel (after starting the car to
drive into the shop), trying to find something to get the car moving.
After about 2 minutes I walked out the waiting area, reached through the
open window, released the brake (he could not release the brake) and
put the car in gear for him. He wasn't a kid, probably 7 years old
when Chrysler ceased the pushbutton shift.
For me I'm lucky to be still around to remember driving the new
pushbutton drive Desoto in 1956.
Ken Wilson
San Jose, Ca.
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:39:13 EST
From: greektruck@xxxxxxx
Subject: 440 to 500 ci engine
i was wondering, does anyone know from experience if the 500 ci from 440 block
( not mopars , cant afford ) has the oil control ring in the piston pin area.
if so, life is apx less than 100k as with other strokers. also, power with
one, small cam due to the neeed for one because of the rams ( love them ),
stupid 268 duration, i want a 280 or so.
i plan to use edel heads, with this combo, desktop dyno figures a not worth
the expense of i think 40 or so hp or tq. cant remember right now. not worht
it. any experiences please,
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:11:58 -0800
From: Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300F Chrome
I like that Dan, "TACKY". Know I now I am not going to put them on my C.
I am a native So. Cal. myself until I went to Reno in June of 95. Did you
enjoy the Northridge earth quake like I did????
My business was in Chatsworth right next door.
Gary
At 10:17 AM 11/12/2002 -0500, dan300f@xxxxxxx wrote:
>Hi all:
>
>My F was original when I purchased it and it had the stone guards on it. I
>took them off and shelved them as I think they look tacky.
>
>Dan Reitz
>Northridge, CA
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 23:49:26 -0600
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Right hand, left hand.
Actually, many shops/mech use torque sockets. These ar 8" or so long and
come in various torques. No matter what you have the air gun set at, they
only allow the torque they are made for. Big shops or tire companys have
sets with many sizes and torques. I used one for many years, and as I
regularly serviced the same cars thru the years, I know that they cause no
problems. As with any tool, you mast care for it, and this means
occasionally checking behind it to confirm that the right torque is being
set on the lug. It also means you don't keep slaming the lug nut after the
nut is set.
Ray Jones
> From: Marshall Larson <yelof@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 14:10:21 -0600
> To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Right hand, left hand.
>
> If I new that a shop didn't use either a torque wrench or a impact wrench
> that is calibrated daily, I would go to one that did. Over torqued or
> unevenly torqued lugs can distort the brake drums and cause braking
> problems. Discs are more easily distorted than drums.
>
> Marshall
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 06:30:57 -0500
From: Randall Patterson <randalllp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300H taillight gaskets
Can anyone help in finding taillight gaskets for my 300H.
Thanks,
Randall Patterson
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:34:21 -0600
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: tilt wheel coupling
Hi Gang, Thought someone on the list could use this.
Part # 2530-541 superceeded to 3575-303 tilt/tele P/S shaft coupling fits many C bodies 66 thru 71 with tilt /tele wheel. Check your books for exact proper info. Photo available. Please e-mail me privately at finsrus@xxxxxxxx
$18 PPD
Goes on E-bay next week.
Dave Schwandt
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