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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Fw: axel end play on 300C
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: 300L - VIN number and registry
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: axel end play on 300C
From: Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: axel end play on 300C
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
5. More on end play
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
6. Re: axel end play on 300C
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: axel end play on 300C
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
8. [62-65] Re: 64 Chrysler 300
From: Herman <herman440@xxxxxxxxx>
9. Wanted: 300K engine block
From: jim helm <helmj@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:10:02 +1200
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: axel end play on 300C
Whoops! Sorry everyone, as Dave points out below, the bearings are greased
rather than oiled.
Owen
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Grove Grove Automotive <groveautomotive@xxxxxx>
To: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axel end play on 300C
> Owen, - I don't think the axle bearings get their lubrication from the
diff
> gear lube anyway - I think there is an *inner* axle seal, and the axle
> bearings get packed with wheel bearing grease upon install. Could be
wrong
> though - I *do* know that it is done this way with the later diffs (like
65
> & up 8 3/4"). I also know that the spec for "axle end play" on these
diffs
> is .008. 'Course you don't have to mess around with "shims" either, -
they
> use a spanner nut instead.
>
> Regards,
> DaveG.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Chrysler Club <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 6:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axel end play on 300C
>
>
> > I really can't see any reason to run as much as .018" end play. The main
> > reason I can see for having end play, is to allow lubrication to the
> > bearings. How much play do you need for oil to get to the bearings? I
> would
> > of thought .007"-008" would be plenty. Just my .0002c worth.
> > Owen
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Warren R Anderson <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>; David Zakarian
> <arshog@xxxxxxxxx>;
> > Chrysler Club <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Gary Nelson
> <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axel end play on 300C
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Ok here it is. 57 Chrysler/Imperial service manual, #D15899. Section
II
> > > >REAR AXLE, pg. 46 paragraph 16. SETTING AXLE SHAFT END PLAY. The
first
> > > >paragraph talks about the various shims available and states "The
> correct
> > > >axle end play is .013 to .018 inch. One or more shims may be required
> to
> > > >obtain correct end play".
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary,
> > >
> > > My closest source for 1957 cars is Motors Manual, 1962. It shows in
> specs
> > > .013-.023 and a foot note to set to .018. The word how to section
stays
> > with
> > > this spec from 1957 to 1961 with special note about why the need for
end
> > > play (heat expansion of axle shafts).
> > >
> > > I looked in a 1964 Motors and it wanders off into deep discussion as
to
> > > equalizing shim packs side to side to center thrust block which is a
> > subject
> > > the '62 book does not mention. Spec stays the same at set to .018 up
> > through
> > > 1964. Switch from .003-.008 to .013 to .023 would seem to be for 1957
MY
> > > Chryslers. I don't remember setting up Internationals that loose so
> > checked
> > > manual and spec is .001-.009. Surprised there has not been some
posting
> as
> > > to what happens with a Chrysler set at say .006 that should have been
> > .018.
> > >
> > > Warren Anderson
> > > Sedona,AZ
> > >
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:50:55 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300L - VIN number and registry
Now that we have the VIN taken care of, what's the details of the car for
sale? Where, how much, and contact info.
Get those registrations in now, ya hear?
Ray Jones
> From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:10:25 -0400
> To: Barbara Kay <hekay@xxxxxxx>, Chrysler 300 Club
> <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Chrysler300] 300L - VIN number and registry
>
> Hi Harold,
>
> Thanks for the lead and VIN number. It's really important that every member
> out there communicate us the VIN's and ownership info of any Letter Series
> 300 they might stumble across, or read about, or find, or whatever...
>
> Eleanor and Gloria both inform me that, as far as the 300L you read about,
> "We have that VIN. Owner was Mark Taraboletti, Titusville, FL as of '95
> when he dropped membership." and also "Should anyone inquire, we have an
> evaluation form on the L. It's white. "
>
> Having prior ownership info on a Letter Car will at some point be invaluable
> to a future owner. Wouldn't we all like to know where our cars have been
> and who owned them before us ? At the same time, it is up to us to build up
> that database as best we can.
>
> Thanks again
>
> John
>
>
> From: "Barbara Kay" <hekay@xxxxxxx>
>
>> I was thumbing through a publication I got in a goodie bag at a car show
> last Sunday. The Bargain News Special Interest Vehicles. There was a 300L
> for sale. I e-mailed and got the ID#
>> C453219965. If it's not in the club files it can be added.
>>
>> Harold
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:09:06 -0700
From: Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: axel end play on 300C
Owen
I see the only logic you over looked is expansion of metals. Dave S. said
it . You have to allow for expansion of metals or you may get pre load on
the outer axle bearings. This will lead to premature bearing failure.
Warren below makes another point that his International manual calls for
.001 to .009. All I can say, different vehicle, design and engineers.
Warrens second point why has there not been posts when someone set up at
.006 and not .018. My guess is if one started to notice a growling axle
bearing and disassembled to see a trashed bearing the first thing you would
think the bearing went bad. I am not saying Chrysler engineers had it all
figured out, but for now I think I will stay with manual spec's.
I was going to mention it then Owen post it. The rear axles we are talking
about the outer axle bearing is not lubricated by gear oil. They are
isolated from gear oil by the inner axle seal. These bearings must be
packed like front axle bearings and need maintenance .like front wheel
bearings. Theres a winter job for you.
Gary, The parts doc
At 10:54 AM 7/21/2002 +1200, Owen & Jo Grigg wrote:
>I really can't see any reason to run as much as .018" end play. The main
>reason I can see for having end play, is to allow lubrication to the
>bearings. How much play do you need for oil to get to the bearings? I would
>of thought .007"-008" would be plenty. Just my .0002c worth.
>Owen
>
>From: Warren R Anderson <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>; David Zakarian <arshog@xxxxxxxxx>;
>Chrysler Club <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:40 PM
>
>
> > My closest source for 1957 cars is Motors Manual, 1962. It shows in specs
> > .013-.023 and a foot note to set to .018. The word how to section stays
>with
> > this spec from 1957 to 1961 with special note about why the need for end
> > play (heat expansion of axle shafts).
> >
> > I looked in a 1964 Motors and it wanders off into deep discussion as to
> > equalizing shim packs side to side to center thrust block which is a
>subject
> > the '62 book does not mention. Spec stays the same at set to .018 up
>through
> > 1964. Switch from .003-.008 to .013 to .023 would seem to be for 1957 MY
> > Chryslers. I don't remember setting up Internationals that loose so
>checked
> > manual and spec is .001-.009. Surprised there has not been some posting as
> > to what happens with a Chrysler set at say .006 that should have been
>.018.
> >
> > Warren Anderson
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:08:02 -0700 (MST)
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: axel end play on 300C
warren and all;
inthe process of setting up 4 wheel disc brakes on a
mopar, you do run into the ''end play dilemma''. too much and you have
''lots'' of free pedal and too little and you take the chance of burning
out axle brgs from too much preload. im a bit spoiled in the lube dept.
as i use pro blend grease [pro=blend, an additive that REALLY works to
cut friction and extend brg. life, its almost impossible to burn out a
brg with the stuff in good supply];; at any rate ive learned to set the
end play from .002=.004 with 2 being preferred .. i see the effects of
expansion, i/e dramatically polished button prints in the axle ends, but
even in tucson az [110=115 air temps] ive never put away an axle brg;;
but i wouldnt try it w/o the pro=blend as im sure itd burn a brg..
JEFF
tucson az.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:59:07 -0700
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: More on end play
Hi All,
I cannot see myself how an axle could expand from heat so much that it would bind up a bearing. I have done quite a few axle bearing myself and have never seen one fail from heat build up, or show any signs of excessive heat. Mostly breakdown of the bearing race surface (outer). You would have to get an axle pretty hot to expand length wise enough to take up all the axle play. I always set up end play to less than .010 and have had no bearing failures. My G is around .005 and I drive that all over. If the bearings are well greased and the axle seals are good, you should have no problems. Remember that they are tapered bearings on those axles, and the more the end play, the more they can move up and down, putting more wear on the inner seals. Front wheel bearings are quite a lot smaller than rear ones and they could never live with .018 end play.
300ly,
Don
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:35:19 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: axel end play on 300C
Jeff and all;
Great info, but have you measured the end play after long use? Like just
before you pulled and checked the button prints on the ends? Should maybe
show some add'l endplay as the polish would indicate wear = more end play.
I'll be doing 4 wheel discs next year on my 2 letter cars, so am really
interested in the rear disc info.
Ray Jones
> From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 06:08:02 -0700 (MST)
> To: wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Warren R Anderson)
> Cc: ram300@xxxxxxxxxx (Owen & Jo Grigg), arshog@xxxxxxxxx (David Zakarian),
> Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Chrysler Club), Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx (Gary Nelson)
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axel end play on 300C
>
> warren and all;
> inthe process of setting up 4 wheel disc brakes on a
> mopar, you do run into the ''end play dilemma''. too much and you have
> ''lots'' of free pedal and too little and you take the chance of burning
> out axle brgs from too much preload. im a bit spoiled in the lube dept.
> as i use pro blend grease [pro=blend, an additive that REALLY works to
> cut friction and extend brg. life, its almost impossible to burn out a
> brg with the stuff in good supply];; at any rate ive learned to set the
> end play from .002=.004 with 2 being preferred .. i see the effects of
> expansion, i/e dramatically polished button prints in the axle ends, but
> even in tucson az [110=115 air temps] ive never put away an axle brg;;
> but i wouldnt try it w/o the pro=blend as im sure itd burn a brg..
>
> JEFF
> tucson az.
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:59:41 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: axel end play on 300C
Gary and all;
You may never know there is a problem, or at least not for a long time.
When I was planing to come to my first meet in 1980, my wife said we weren't
going unless I replaced the rear bearings. She has had cars up to her ears
since we met 47 years ago, and is VERY good with them. Said she could
hear/feel them...I said she was nuts! I am/was a pro auto tech, and have had
several auto businesses and I didn't think anything was wrong with them.
But, just to shut her up, I replaced them. I checked them coming out and
after they were pressed off and other then some grunelling, I saw no
problem. We then went to Pennsville NJ to the meet the next day and my
milage jumped from 8mpg to 12 from that time on. I just thought that 8 was
low normal for that big a car and engine. We had owned 348 and 409 muti-carb
cars prior to this one and 8mpg wasn't too bad for us. Now this "L" had over
400,000 miles on it at the time, I'm the 3rd owner and knew both the
previous owners, so knew the milage was right, and they said they had never
changed the bearings.
So, if you have milage problems, replace your rear bearings...might fix it.
Strange but true. See you ALL in Nashville, and can tell ya more.
Ray Jones
p.s.: That decision to go to the meet was one of the better ones in my life.
We met and grew to love a wonderful group of people. We had not done
anything like that before and it was hard to just go into the unknown. If
any of you reading this have not come to a meet, just DO it. I promise you
will not regret it. We have many dear and treasured friends that we would
not have met any other way, and value these friendships which in many ways
have changed much of our lives. R
> From: Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 22:09:06 -0700
> To: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>, Chrysler Club
> <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axel end play on 300C
>
> Owen
> I see the only logic you over looked is expansion of metals. Dave S. said
> it . You have to allow for expansion of metals or you may get pre load on
> the outer axle bearings. This will lead to premature bearing failure.
> Warren below makes another point that his International manual calls for
> .001 to .009. All I can say, different vehicle, design and engineers.
> Warrens second point why has there not been posts when someone set up at
> .006 and not .018. My guess is if one started to notice a growling axle
> bearing and disassembled to see a trashed bearing the first thing you would
> think the bearing went bad. I am not saying Chrysler engineers had it all
> figured out, but for now I think I will stay with manual spec's.
> I was going to mention it then Owen post it. The rear axles we are talking
> about the outer axle bearing is not lubricated by gear oil. They are
> isolated from gear oil by the inner axle seal. These bearings must be
> packed like front axle bearings and need maintenance .like front wheel
> bearings. Theres a winter job for you.
>
> Gary, The parts doc
>
> At 10:54 AM 7/21/2002 +1200, Owen & Jo Grigg wrote:
>> I really can't see any reason to run as much as .018" end play. The main
>> reason I can see for having end play, is to allow lubrication to the
>> bearings. How much play do you need for oil to get to the bearings? I would
>> of thought .007"-008" would be plenty. Just my .0002c worth.
>> Owen
>>
>> From: Warren R Anderson <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>; David Zakarian <arshog@xxxxxxxxx>;
>> Chrysler Club <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:40 PM
>>
>>
>>> My closest source for 1957 cars is Motors Manual, 1962. It shows in specs
>>> .013-.023 and a foot note to set to .018. The word how to section stays
>> with
>>> this spec from 1957 to 1961 with special note about why the need for end
>>> play (heat expansion of axle shafts).
>>>
>>> I looked in a 1964 Motors and it wanders off into deep discussion as to
>>> equalizing shim packs side to side to center thrust block which is a
>> subject
>>> the '62 book does not mention. Spec stays the same at set to .018 up
>> through
>>> 1964. Switch from .003-.008 to .013 to .023 would seem to be for 1957 MY
>>> Chryslers. I don't remember setting up Internationals that loose so
>> checked
>>> manual and spec is .001-.009. Surprised there has not been some posting as
>>> to what happens with a Chrysler set at say .006 that should have been
>> .018.
>>>
>>> Warren Anderson
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:12:33 +0200
From: Herman <herman440@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [62-65] Re: 64 Chrysler 300
I would 'think' glass is always in demand. ?
You might wanna try the 300 club(s). Or maybe your local carglass-shop.
I'll forward your message to the Chrysler 300 Mialing list. Maybe
someone is interested.
Greetings,
Herman Meiners.
The Netherlans
http://drive.to/chrysler
Lee Sumpter wrote:
> Oh by the way, when I first dragged home this 64 Chrysler a couple
> years ago, some on the list were interested in a few parts.
> I am just now getting around to stripping the car, and hope to get the
> body,etc. gone in the next couple weeks. (Time to clean up the yard)
> I remember someone emailed wanting the motor mounts, but I lost all
> the info in last years computor crash.
> Anyone wanting anything, the car is pretty well wrecked,rusted and
> stripped, but I am gonna try to save a few trim pieces,etc.
> I hope to recoup my expenses by selling a few goodies on e bay.
> The big question is glass. Is there any market for the glass from
> this? I hate to scrap it, but I don't really care to crawl into this
> mouse, snake, and bee infested hulk to pull it out unless it is really
> worthwhile, and I dont want to try to store the glass. The last two
> windshields I saved ended up getting broke in storage anyway!
> Thanks, Lee Sumpter
> Lee Sumpter <leesumpter@xxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:22:01 -0700
From: jim helm <helmj@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Wanted: 300K engine block
I know that this is probably wishful thinking, but would anyone out there
have (or know of) an unmolested, 1964 300K, ram-inducted engine block (code
C300K) for sale that is located in the Pacific Northwest? I only need the
short or long block, not the rams or other accessories. I would prefer a
block with a date code before 2/1/64. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jim Helm
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