Re: {Chrysler 300} A/C tools
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Re: {Chrysler 300} A/C tools



gauges are mainly about diagnostic work , right? to your point . 
the critical thing in charging is the weight of refrigerant such that receiver dryer is about half full of liquid when running . 

James, You really should change to 134 , given all apart ,no oil issues . 12 today is impossible , as guy cannot use his machine for both . Even if it was remotely a good idea . 

After getting into some frustrating discussions with “ expert “ (again !)  about how to determine how much to add to a system down some with a slow leak , — he said he can tell charge  from gauges . (!) . Anyone who says that imho simply does not understand how it works . (I know they do it -!) In a crude way yes, if you overfill it   

The vapor pressure in the receiver dryer stays  the same if 1/2” or 3” of liquid refrigerant in there . Just like a propane tank pressure . only temp matters ,,but you don’t care about temp of it ,,only how much .  Just like propane   So system level  gauges will read the same half full or full — Until you overfill … . And AC works ok , the same .with 1/2 or 4” in dryer 
Today , laws want you to pull out old and hold it , weigh it then add new to get correct charge . Yes,—  but really huge hassle to do all that . And very expensive machine .Might disturb oil volume too . 

Specific to refrigerant too . 


So thought about it a lot , due to GC jeep with mopar paper thin evaporator ( they all fail ,2000 $ of labor to pull seats  console steering wheel and  dash to get to it )  then a year later the heater core will  go. Repeat . 2$ more cost at factory for 1.5 x thicker stuff , but no …. 

Before that big tear down , it would run 2-3 months on a charge . So needed to add . How much? 

So I admit I am very proud of an idea I had ! 

When running , receiver dryer gets hot from  liquid / gas mix from condenser … I noticed one humid day the temp inside the receiver of hot gas / liquid at a cold AM start caused a morning dew on the receiver can to evaporate — I could see a line for a minute  , but then it was soon all gone as whole thing gets hot fast 
Idea!! I squirted it with hose , cooled  the top more…  gas is much more easy to cool through the metal than bottom  ( bottom full of hot liquid) ,— you can tell level in 5 minutes no gauges at all ( still good to check high side pressures , but you gain  confidence fast ) 

Shoot in a portion or all of small can of refrigerant gas on low side with the short line — till half full by noting the temp change line on receiver  —- it is a perfect charge even if some already in there . Infrared temp thing might be good too , but i did by watching / feel it , cool it . 
Same thing happens other way around on grill tanks, you see dew at line where evaporating cools top of propane , that is the level inside . And flame in grill stays lit till empty tank as pressure is about the same unless it gets too cool. 
Regulator is to deal with psi change with temp … 
ymmv 
jg 


On Jul 7, 2024, at 10:05 AM, M L <granitledge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


I do refrigeration and have for 40 years. Never needed anything other than two gauges to service any system except Ammonia. Your time, your money so spend it as you like!

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 8:50 AM James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

There are several EPA registered shops in Northern California that can and do recharge systems with R12.

 

One could swap out the low-pressure gauge in theory to use as a compressor inlet gauge but then on would have to block off the high side gauge. Simpler to run the compressor output tests with the 3rd gauge.

 

James

 

From: M L <granitledge@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2024 05:11
To: James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} A/C tools

 

The third gauge can't tell you anything that two won't. Wasting your time and money. Don't know where you will go for R12! No commercial shop will have or do it!

 

On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 6:08PM 'James Douglas' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have been looking to find the 3-gauge A/C manifold set that is shown in the service manual. No luck.

 

I happened to pick up from eBay an original copy of the Master Tech Service Booklet Session Number 64-7 Air Conditioning.

 

While reading it on page on page six there is one paragraph that describes the right-hand gauge as:

 

“…the compressor inlet gauge. There is no passage between this gauge and the center manifold opening. That’s just a rod, not a tube, connecting the compressor inlet gauge to the manifold.”

 

Since the service manual talks about the “new” manifold gauge or a “kit” to adapt the old gauge set, I had assumed that it was connected for some reason and may or may not have had a specific orifice hole or some such.  Well, I am the fool as it is just a convenient way to hang the third gauge!

 

So, I am heading out to HF to buy two of their gauge sets.

 

Now I must find some 134a hose end adaptors for the R12 Schroder valves, and I can test the compressor output and pressurize the system and see if there are any leaks. Before I drop it off for R12 charging.

 

It pays to read.

 

James

 

 

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