That is why I find it interesting. 300 and New Yorker same wheel base in 1964 but different length torsion bars.
Length, clocking and diameter are the main variables in a torsion bar suspension. What I do not get is why on the New Yorker they went longer on the bars. If they needed more load for a heavier car, they could
just increase the diameter.
Anyone have any ideas?
James
From: Noel Hastalis <cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 7:26 AM
To: John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Bob Merritt <Bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Re: Can someone do me a favor over the next few days... 1963-1964 Torsion Bars
'63 and later - all 122" wb
'62 - all Chryslers 122" wb EXCEPT NYer that remained 126" wb.
? did they still have two wheelbase in 63,64 ; most of what I am talking about is change from lwb 60,61 to swb 62 .. then up . 62 and 3,4 same ?
NY and 300 are the same all years ? i think so
jg
Bob,
I have not gone hunting for frame sheets for 1964 300 versus the New Yorker yet. But in the Master Parts Book for 1964 they show the same part number
for both sub frames.
The only two front suspension parts that I see are different in the MPB, and admittedly I did a quick look not an exhaustive one, was the torsion
bars and the anchors.
The bars are longer, and I think but have yet to confirm, that the anchors are as well.
James
There is a video comparing
long and short wheelbase stub frames at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAyFrL91JWE
It might answer some of these questions.
On 1/19/2024 2:18 PM, John Grady wrote:
i often wondered what was really changed factually between long and short frames 60-62 . James’ notation / discovery of possibly special rear bar sockets if confirmed answers a
lot of questions. Despite two lengths of bars too .
i was trying to figure out why TTI exhaust headers ( nice stuff) are listed for 62 but not anything before that ( i wanted for an F) . They did not know , saying we never put it
in an F . So went at it with tape crudely for 30 minutes . Most if not all the wheelbase change is between the front wheel centerline and the front door hinge seam ?
so to my mind even more room is in an F — but relationship of steering box to engine would be a lot different as steering box location still relates to fire wall / steering column
angle . That stays the same , as you move front wheels closer to fire wall on swb ,torsion bars will move back ( a lot if same length) . Engine in same place re firewall , so is more over front wheel centerline then?
So although relationship of exhaust to block starter and transmission stays the same , other stuff moves related to all of it ?
steering box , torsion bar mounts etc but body itself including firewall / door seam must be the same , as if frame and front fenders were “ sectioned “ between firewall and
rest of front of it — but then steering box would slide forward, closer to front cross member ?
crude description , I know . has anyone gotten into this ?
Related question , aftermarket “ smaller” performance steering boxes ( Borgeson) seem to have same fitment issue , confusion . No help at all there . ( by the way , F and G stock
box are slightly different , (!!!) longer casting at column connection ( that got me once).
But at some point the later swb steering box involves the K frame ? anybody know about that or when it happened ? F G and back , the box bolts sideways to frame rail as we know
. I call it like a Ford pickup . But later boxes seem to have a “foot” against the K frame . I assume —but do not know — J and K are like 62 ?
Admit to being out my comfort zone on this , just trying to understand header issue and steering box mounts/ changes . Thinking was ,—- if an issue , smaller box may help if
header pipes want the same space , and why is 62 ok 60 not ? 60 should have more room
Tony R has K ex manifold in F , so why the special 405 ones ? or maybe those two are close , or different swb/lwb 62 to 60 , 62 being tighter ? Or J/K more compact than 405?
J
All Chrysler models in 1963 and 1964 had a 122" wheel base.
On 1/19/2024 9:22 AM, Cox Mail wrote:
Are New Yorkers long
They have a totally different sub frame then
The shorter 122" sub frames.
Well,
Learn something new every day.
Turns out that the New Yorkers uses a different length torsion bar. Which means they used a different sub frame.
I thought the different part number in the master parts book was due to a different diameter. But it is both different in diameter and length. All
the other front-end parts are the same according to the master Parts Book.
Seems odd. The New Yorker bars are 44 inches long while the Newport and 300 are 40.
I guess I will eBay them at some point as they are of little use to me.
Thanks all for the measurements.
James
Hi Jamie,
I am scratching my head. I will have to check the bars up at the house this weekend. I could have sworn that I measured them, and they were 44 inches
long. Those bars cam out of a 1964 Chrysler New Yorker.
Is it possible that the New Yorker and the 300 used different length bars? Or was there a change to the subframe in 1964 from 1963 and the bars are
longer?
I will also have to get under the 300K here in San Francisco on the cold wet concrete and see if I can get an in-car measurement.
Jamie, can you take a caliper and get me a very exacting OD on the 607 bar?
Thanks, James
James , the 607 bar out of my J is 40" long.
On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 11:32:49 AM UTC-5 James Douglas wrote:
If anyone has a set of torsion bars out and accessible for a 1963-1964 Chrysler, can you measure the length and note the bar number?
I have a paperwork conundrum. I have a set that came out of a 1964 New Yorker, and I thought I measured them, and they are 44 inches long. But my paperwork here in San Francisco
says that the bars for a1963 300J, and presumable the 1964 300K, are 40 inches long. Hence the conundrum.
Also, I am still hunting for a set of 606-607 bars and if anyone has a set, they will sell please let me know.
James
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