RE: [Chrysler300] Seat Belts

["'Rich Barber' c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Paul:

I would like to see the photos of the NOS seat belt hardware.  To the extent
that hardware probably varied over the eleven years of letter cars, time
tags would be helpful.

Thanks in advance.

Rich Barber

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To: Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx>; pffkllc@xxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Chris Pinder <kmaniak@xxxxxxx>; Don Cole <mr300k@xxxxxxxxx>; Bilter,
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Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Seat Belts

On 9/4/2015 9:29 PM, 'Rich Barber' c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300] wrote:
> Pete:

> I can't swear to the authenticity of the belts in our K conv. as they 
> do not have the Chrysler part number tags on them.  But, they are a 
> mix of identical-looking belts from our K coupe parts car and the 
> belts that came with the K conv.  The front belts are affixed to the 
> floor with hex-head, shouldered bolts that thread into factory-installed
sockets in the floor.
> I've attached photos of the locations for the front seat belt 
> connections on the raised section of the sills and driveshaft tunnel.  
> I understand the threaded sockets may have been sealed with a 
> removable rubber plug in cars without seat belts from the factory and 
> that makes sense as they would otherwise provide a direct opening to the
roadway below.

> There are two pairs of similar threaded sockets on the kickup area of 
> the rear floor pan for rear seat belts.  I think the bolts were 
> high-strength and the threads were fine.  The floor end of each front 
> belt has a triangular steel plate with a large round hole in it that 
> fits into the shoulder portion of the bolt and a narrow slot through 
> which the belt is looped and then sewn in place.  The latching hasp is 
> quite plain-just a flat chromed buckle that lifts to unlatch from the 
> other chromed-steel belt end which has two square holes in it.  The 
> outboard front bucket belts are retrieved into a plastic holster by a 
> little windup spring.  The center belts just flop around loose to bang 
> up the aluminum on the console.  The belts are labeled Hickock brand-- 
> P.G.-12171-1.  Similar-appearing belts are readily available-mights 
> well get the proper end connections defined and purchase accordingly.

> The hardware and belts retrieved from the back seat of the coupe were 
> all hook-type belt ends connected to the threaded steel rings.  
> Original belt connections and design may very well all have been 
> ring-topped steel bolts threading into the sockets and the belts being 
> attached to the rings by the hook-type end connection.  And the belts 
> would carry the Chrysler parts tags with part numbers on them.  Data 
> I've seen indicates there may have been two different types of belts,
perhaps retractable and non-retractable.
> Color-coded or not.  The data indicates only front seat belts were 
> available from the factory.  Dealers could apparently furnish and 
> install front and rear seat belts at or after delivery.

> Perhaps more learned folks can advise what the front and rear original 
> '64 Chrysler belt floor connections were.  In any case, the sockets 
> are there for four sets of belts and I believe the floor is reinforced 
> on the underside in those areas.  I remember being told that there 
> would not be a concours-judging penalty for seat belts, 
> factory-installed or nay--so long as the buckle and belt design were 
> similar to the plain originals.  No gold-plated Cadillac buckles on
multi-color webbing.

snip

> Rich Barber

If I recall rightly, there were maybe only 3 companies in the USA that
manufactured 'approved' seat belts, (mainly made for the aircraft
companies) and in the early 60's would have supplied the major car companies
with product. The car companies could have specified their particular
branding attached and small design changes but the actual seat belts and
hardware would have been from one of these 'approved'
makers.

I hunted far and wide and in this area most of the early (optional 60's)
hardware was from one maker. I can supply pictures of the NOS parts I have
to anyone that asks.

--
Paul Holmgren
If you think Space is the Final Frontier, You should see my Garage!


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