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Re: [Chrysler300] Danger of wheel failure unless the rims are replaced by stronger ones designed for use with radial tires
- From: cotejohnr@xxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:47:10 -0500
Tony and all,
I had radials on my '61 Newport. They were on the car when I got it so
I don't know how many miles were on the wheels/tires at that point. I
ran another 1000 miles on them and had no wheelcover losses.
I'm assuming that all the 14 inch wheels you recently had developed for
members are radial certified? Can't recall, did you have 15 inchers
made as well for '55-'56?
John
CT.
-----Original Message-----
From: awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 4:25 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Danger of wheel failure unless the rims are
replaced by stronger ones designed for use with radial tires
Hi to all,
If you are running radials on your old original 300 wheels:
The following is reprinted from Old Cars Weekly from Sept 21, 2006 and
warns
of the danger of wheel failure unless the rims are replaced by
stronger ones
designed for use with radial tires.
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Q. Recently, I purchased five new wide whitewall radials from a
reputable
tire company (one of your advertisers). The car for their intended use
is a
1956 Mercury that previously had bias‑ply tires. Although I had the new
radials professionally mounted and balanced, the front hubcaps come off
while driving, especially the left front on right turns. Can you
advise me
if I need to replace the wheel rims with a heavier type? Robert W.
Blume,
Sr., Calverton, N.Y.
A. Back in 2003, we had a lively discussion of wheels intended for
bias‑ply
tires "throwing" hubcaps when mounted with radials. Here are readers'
comments from that discussion. "The problem of cars 'throwing hubcaps'
is
much more serious than rim flex and lost hubcaps. Try losing your life
with
this problem! Rims for bias-ply tires, radial-ply tires, even disc
brake
rims are made out of different alloys. Rims for bias-ply tires cannot
use
radials, and bias and simple radial-ply rims cannot be used for disc
brakes.
The forces exerted by bias-ply versus radial-ply tires (as well as disc
brakes) are different and need rims made specific to each application.
When
using radial tires on bias-ply rims, the rims over‑flex as they are
unable
to handle the forces of the radial tires. This over-flexing also means
metal
fatigue, breakage (most commonly rim bead edge separation), and deadly
accidents. Many will disagree, touting their successful usage of radial
tires on bias-ply rims, but as a fatal accident investigator, the first
place I looked in any older car accident was at the rims. My advice
when
replacing bias tires with radials is to immediately change the rims.
One can
tell bias, radial, and disc brake rims by their markings," wrote Sam
Egan,
general manager, Automotive Information Clearinghouse, La Mesa, Calif.
Another reader wrote, "When you install a radial tire on an old rim
and the
footprint of the tire is wider or equal to the rim bead, the twisting
of the
sidewall puts undue stress on the lighter and original rim. We put
radial
tires on our 1956 Ford and had the same problem. We cured the problem
when
we switched to 1966 Ford rims, which are one inch wider and eight to
nine
pounds heavier, which makes them stronger than the old rims." Paul
Haase of
Waterloo, Iowa, also advised replacing the rims. "Then if the wheel
discs
still slip, they can be held in place a bead of silicone." Sanford
Danziger
recommended locating a set of alloy rims, which would obviate the
hubcap
problem. To hold the wheel covers in place, assuming movement is still
a
problem with the correct rims, Dan Reed says he secured the wheel
covers for
his 1956 Cadillac with a strap that was secured by one of the lugnuts.
He
found this idea on a 1958 Oldsmobile. The strap has to be long enough
to
allow access to the lug nuts. "It won't prevent the wheel cover from
coming
off, but will keep it from being lost," he wrote. Marilyn Robinson
ended the
problem of wheel covers flying off their Plymouth Valiant by switching
to
hubcaps. Terry Wallace of Pensacola, Fla., brushed some of the grit
coating
used on surf and skateboards onto the rim area that the wheel covers
contact. The covers still wanted to walk on the rim, so he added a
bead of
silicone and has had no further trouble. Bob Brooks of Suffield, Conn.,
coated the wheel rim contact area on his 1952 Mercury with rubber
cement and
hasn't thrown a wheel cover since. To hold the full disc, wheel covers
on
his 1989 Thunderbird, Lou Frueh of Wickliffe, Ky., drilled a hole in
the
wheel cover 180 degrees from the valve stem, then drilled and tapped a
hole
in the wheel as near the rim as possible, and bolted on the wheel
covers. He
disguised the bolt to look like another valve stem. Thomas Murray of
San
Leandro, Calif., found that a strip of masking tape around the rim
holds the
wheel covers on his two Kaisers in place. Bob Lewis of Susanville,
Calif.,
uses silicone adhesive sealant to keep the full disc wheel covers on
his
1950 Ford club coupe from moving. Gerald White of Altoona, Fla.,
observed
that the brake drum will keep the center of the wheel from flexing,
but not
the rim, leading us back to Mr. Egan's warning about the danger of
wheel
failure unless the rims are replaced by stronger ones designed for use
with
radial tires.
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