Warren: Thanks for the details on balancing. I do recall your previous input based on your many years of experience. As a teen in the mid-50's I used both the bubble balancer and perhaps a Hunter (?) system that used an electric motor to spin the wheel on the car and a clamp-on ring with center controls that added and moved weights. This was labor and operator skill intensive, but resulted in a tire/wheel/hub assembly that was quite well balanced, especially if we used the bubble balancer to find the heavy sides of rim and tire and place them opposite each other before using the Hunter machine. And my buck an hour labor cost did not drive the price up that much. I have not found any local shop with the tools, time and skills to do the job the way I'd like it done on my old tubed, bias-plied, wired tires. They just chuck it on to the machine and let the computer do a great job of dual plane balancing. As a mechanical engineer charged with operating and maintaining high speed and low speed rotating equipment, I came to appreciate the technology allowing precision balancing of rotors and shafts. Even in that high-tech world, there was disagreement on the value of low-speed balancing vs. high speed balancing. Dimensional changes due to operating temperatures, rotor dynamics and alignment shifts complicated the issue but the goal of minimizing vibration to extend service life was the same on all machines. So it is with our cars wheels and tires. If the vibration is not sensed by the operator and passengers, if it isn't shortening the life of any vehicle component and if it isn't causing uneven wear on the tire, the balancer has done their job effectively. Others have mentioned that tires with flat spots cannot be balanced. This is probably inaccurate as the tire may be well balanced, but still generate vibration as the flat spot hits the road. My old nylon Firestone 500's were famous for this in cold weather. The same would be true for out-of round tires that would appear to be balanced, but might generate sensed vibration at highway speed. Measuring runout on an inflated tire is easy, but safely grinding off the high spots is not for amateurs. Its a wonder we ever get down the road on our maypops, don't you think? Looks like you are having some cool, wet weather like us today. 300-ly, Richard Warren Barber Brentwood, CA (rainy and 52 today) 1955 C-300 Warren Anderson wrote: (Deleted to satisfy the server) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Give the gift of life to a sick child. Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks & Giving.' http://us.click.yahoo.com/5iY7fA/6WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/8LmulB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/