RE: [Chrysler300] Oct Hot Rodding

["JONES,DOUG (A-USA,ex3)" <doug_jones@xxxx>]

The '56 Golden Hawk! Boy, do I remember those! I really wanted one until a
guy told me that, driven very carefully, the front tires might go 10,000
miles ... I guess it couldn't drag race cuz there was no weight over the
rear axle. I had a '54 Stude wagon with the standard V8, and it cornered
like an overloaded ferry boat. I can only imagine how the GH must have
been.

I think we 300-o-philes can take pride that OUR hot rod was a total package,
and proved it at NASCAR. On the other hand, it was a very expensive car
looking for a select audience who wanted full size comfort and style
combined with serious motivation...and had the bucks to pay for it!

Maybe we can define the Bankers Express as cars rich guys buy so they can
see off the kids, and Muscle Cars as cars kids buy to see off the rich guys!

300ly,
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Langendorfer [mailto:langendorfer@xxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:06 PM
To: Owen & Jo Grigg; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; heinitz; Jack Farris
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Oct Hot Rodding


Folks:

A bit of overkill at this point, it would seem, however...

There are several definitions of the first musclecars, including the first
Buick Century (Special Body w/ Roadmaster engine). In the modern context of
smaller car/larger engine, I have always contended (I was even quoted as a
16 year old in a 1967 edition of Motor Trend Magazine, believe it or not),
that the first incarnation of the GTO-type defintion was the 1956 Studebaker
Golden Hawk. Think about it...the largest engine in 1956 was a 374" Packard
engine (the G-Hawk engine's larger brother, some of which were dealer
installed in these cars w/ dual quads..310HP). Also, the car could be had w/
stick/OD
(HD T-85 B-W), ratios up to 4:56, ordered without PS or PB and, at no extra
cost, evil handling. A brute to be sure, but one that mesmerized the
automotive press
at the time. Certainly, this was not the balanced vehicle a 300B was, but,
in its way, was a precursor for some of the outrageousness we saw in the
sixties.

Just my opinion...

Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Farris <jackfarris@xxxx>
To: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxx>; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; heinitz <heinitz@xxxx>
Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Oct Hot Rodding


>Although I don't necessarily agree, the term "Muscle Car" refers to a
>certain genre of mid-sized cars of the mid sixties to early seventies that
>had big block engines and were produced specifically for the purpose of
>going fast. The first car that was "officially" designated as a "muscle
car"
>(if I recall) was the Pontiac GTO. Other muscle cars included Olds 442's,
>Barracudas & Chargers (big blocks only), big block Camaro's and Mustangs,
>and other big block mid-sized Mopars and other makes. There may have been
>other cars that could go faster, or were more powerful, but they did not
fit
>the definition of the genre. "Muscle Cars" were produced primarily to
appeal
>to a younger demographic than our 300's.
>
>Jack
>
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>>From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxx>
>>To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "heinitz" <heinitz@xxxx>
>>Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Oct Hot Rodding
>>Date: Tue, Sep 18, 2001, 3:06 PM
>>
>
>> Good question how do you define what a "musclecar" is?
>> Sometime back I was invited to show my 300C at the National Musclecar
Show
>> in NZ. Now I was told they had to bend the rules to allow my car in.
There
>> rule book states only early 60's to early 70's as a musclecar. The C
stood
>> out like a sore thumb at the show, and more than a few scoffed at it,
saying
>> what's a full size '50s car doing here.
>> I on the otherhand looked around at the small cubic displacement
Mustangs,
>> Camaros, and Cudas, which I commonly refer to as "school girls cars", ie-
>> low hp compact cars!
>> My C puts out 375hp from factory other cars present were lucky if they
broke
>> the 300 mark. So if the word muscle means hp..........
>> Or does it mean any old compact from the 60's and 70's era?
>> Owen
>>
>> Question. At a meet last year my 68 300 was judged as a reg Chrysler,
when
>> along side of me a Baracuda with a 318 was judged as a muscle car. I
thought
>> that was wrong, what do you guys think?.
>
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