There is a difference between a 'banker's express' and a muscle car. It is commonly held that the first muscle car (meaning big engine in a compact (well, relatively compact), fairly inexpensive car was the '64 GTO. It is also commonly held that the muscle car era ended in the early '70s due to emissions restrictions. As with any arbitrary definition, this one causes problems. Nobody would doubt that a '69 Camaro with a 396 is a muscle car, but is the same Camaro with a 327, or even a 6, still one? I would argue they are not. What about big engine imports like the Jensen Interceptor, Iso Grifo, and Facel Vega? Most would argue these are Banker's Express cars, not muscle cars. The 300 certainly invented the American version of the Banker's Express, which was copied in various Tbirds, Rivieras, Grand Prix etc. An Eldorado with a 500 inch engine is NOT a muscle car, and for the same reasons (too big, too expensive, and too heavy) I personally would argue that the 300 is not a muscle car. MoPar muscle cars are the (big engines only, please) A, B, and E body ChallengaRudas, ChargRoadSuperBs, and ValDustDart 340's. My opinion only, of course, and as arbitrary as any other ... 300ly, Doug -----Original Message----- From: Owen & Jo Grigg [mailto:ram300@xxxx] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:06 PM To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; heinitz Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Oct Hot Rodding Good question how do you define what a "musclecar" is? Sometime back I was invited to show my 300C at the National Musclecar Show in NZ. Now I was told they had to bend the rules to allow my car in. There rule book states only early 60's to early 70's as a musclecar. The C stood out like a sore thumb at the show, and more than a few scoffed at it, saying what's a full size '50s car doing here. I on the otherhand looked around at the small cubic displacement Mustangs, Camaros, and Cudas, which I commonly refer to as "school girls cars", ie- low hp compact cars! My C puts out 375hp from factory other cars present were lucky if they broke the 300 mark. So if the word muscle means hp.......... Or does it mean any old compact from the 60's and 70's era? Owen Question. At a meet last year my 68 300 was judged as a reg Chrysler, when along side of me a Baracuda with a 318 was judged as a muscle car. I thought that was wrong, what do you guys think?. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To send a message to this group, send an email to: > Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/