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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Kelsey/Goodyear radial wide whites
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Exhaust and Heads on 355 HP 300 B
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
6. weight
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: weight
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
From: Rich Barber <barber@xxxxxxxxx>
12. 300B verses 57 Chev
From: guyztoys@xxxxxxx
13. letter cars doing 135
From: Ben Meisner <meisnerinc@xxxxxxx>
14. Re: weight
From: RONVE@xxxxxxx
15. Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:56:52 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Kelsey/Goodyear radial wide whites
http://www.kelseytire.com/pages/radial.html
There is now a Goodyear 235 x 75 x 15 whitewall radial tire offering posted at Kelsey Tires.
Personally, I don't care for the ornamentation of the sidewalls and I told John Kelsey that plus the fact their computer generated picture of a tire and wheel combo is showing both a chrome wire wheel rim and a painted black wheel rim both on one tire to further complicate the matter.
Wayne
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:04:00 -0800
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Exhaust and Heads on 355 HP 300 B
Can anyone provide information on the 300 B with the optional 355 HP engines.
I am interested in details on the following.
How was the high compression achieved. I believe it was via a head change but how was this accomplished? Was it a milled regular head or were there other changes? I believe that it was a different part number. A quote in the Robert Ackerson Chrysler 300 book gives a part number of 1730369-1 for this head and stated that it was NOT interchangeable with the 8.5 compression head on the 1955 C300 head. Why would this be?
Were the optional exhaust manifolds the same part number as the Dodge truck manifolds?
Was the balance of this optional exhaust system(head pipes thru tailpipes) ever offered as a replacement part(s) number by Chrysler parts? If parts numbers were offered, were all components unique or just the 3 inch head pipes?
I know that an optional steel wheel was offered for racing. Was there any other differences in the 340 hp verses 355. What was the price charged for Chrysler for this optional motor.
What brings this all to mind is this past summer I entered a show where next to me was a beautiful black 57 Chevy base model coupe with a 283hp 283 C.I. fuel injected motor. This fellow had a rather large sigh describing the car and it noted that this motor was the first time that an American auto had achieved 1 hp per C.I..
As we were admiring each others autos I happened to mention that Chrysler had a accomplished this in 1956(of course my model) with their 354 C.I. with 355 hp.
He said he was aware of this but noted that this was an optional high performance engine generally not available to all. I did not mention that I thought that the 283 283 was probably not a standard Chevy offering.
So just trying to get a little history here. I also have a pair of Dodge truck manifolds that may find a new home on my car if I can get more details on the exhaust system.
Thank you for any info on this topic
Roger Schaaf
300 B Calif.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:16:57 -0800
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
Does anyone have knowledge on what was done to the several 300 B's that ran at Daytona in 1956 that ran up to 139 mph.
How close to stock were they. Somehow I have a tough time believing that running on sand with the aerodynamics of a sail turning upward of 140 mph with a stock motor would be doable.
How close to stock were the Kiekhaefer autos.
I have never seen any information on what were done to these cars, what rear axle ratios they ran, transmissions, engine mods, body, frame and suspension changes, how fast would they run on the straight-aways etc. etc.
Are there any videos available on these cars and their racing activities(Grand National and Daytona).
Are any of the original cars still around?
Sounds like would be an interesting book to have the history of these cars and their exploits. This all applies to 55 C 300's also.
Roger Schaaf
300 B Calif.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:33:41 -0500
From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
Roger,
To quote the only ad ever put out by Chrysler for the B:
"The 1956 Chrysler 300-B already 1956 "flying mile" and
NASCAR Grand National Champion !"
The successor to the undisputed stock car champion of 1955-
winner of both AAA and NASCAR championships-is off to a
flying start.
This exciting new Chrysler won the "flying mile" at Daytona
Beach, averaging 139.373 mph. Also winner of the 1956 NASCAR
Grand National Stock Car Race.
Yes, this is Americas most powerful car-the new 300-B-
powered by a 340-hp. modified Firepower V-8 engine. Here is
a car with all the rakish glamour of a sports car...plus
full sedan roominess everywhere and plenty of luxurious
comfort.
And even though you're probably not looking to win races at
140 mph, the introduction of the 300-B is good news. For it
points up the eager, surging responce that is yours in every
Chrysler-including the Windsor V-8.
See the exciting Chrysler 300-B-now on display."
On the left side of the ad was the engine description:
LOOK AT THE BRAWN OF IT-
America's most poerful stock car-horsepower: 340 @ 5200 rpm.
Torque: 385 @ 3200 to 3500 rpm. Compression ratio 9.0 to 1.
Two 4-barrel carburetors, full race camshaft, mechanical
valve lifters, adjustable valve rockers, heavy duty crankshaft
bearings, hardened crankshaft, exhaust valve seat inserts.
Special suspension for maximum cornering and road hugging
performance. Power-Flite automatic or mechanical transmission.
Power brakes...dual exhaust system...Wheelbase: 126 In...
Overall length: 222.7 in. ...Heigth: 59.4 in.
SEE YOUR CHRYSLER AND IMPERIAL DEALER
Jim Faber
>
> From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2003/11/21 Fri PM 02:16:57 EST
> To: "Chrysler 300 list service" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Chrysler300] How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
>
> Does anyone have knowledge on what was done to the several 300 B's that ran at Daytona in 1956 that ran up to 139 mph.
>
> How close to stock were they. Somehow I have a tough time believing that running on sand with the aerodynamics of a sail turning upward of 140 mph with a stock motor would be doable.
>
> How close to stock were the Kiekhaefer autos.
>
> I have never seen any information on what were done to these cars, what rear axle ratios they ran, transmissions, engine mods, body, frame and suspension changes, how fast would they run on the straight-aways etc. etc.
>
> Are there any videos available on these cars and their racing activities(Grand National and Daytona).
>
> Are any of the original cars still around?
>
> Sounds like would be an interesting book to have the history of these cars and their exploits. This all applies to 55 C 300's also.
>
> Roger Schaaf
> 300 B Calif.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:28:55 -0600
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
These speed runs were a yearly thing at Daytona, and were sanctionewd by AAA
and inspected by them also. I have no details, but was just getting into
cars in 1955....my God, nearly 50 years ago!
Ray Jones
> From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:33:41 -0500
> To: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>,"Chrysler 300 list service"
> <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
>
> Roger,
>
> To quote the only ad ever put out by Chrysler for the B:
> "The 1956 Chrysler 300-B already 1956 "flying mile" and
> NASCAR Grand National Champion !"
>
> The successor to the undisputed stock car champion of 1955-
> winner of both AAA and NASCAR championships-is off to a
> flying start.
>
> This exciting new Chrysler won the "flying mile" at Daytona
> Beach, averaging 139.373 mph. Also winner of the 1956 NASCAR
> Grand National Stock Car Race.
>
> Yes, this is Americas most powerful car-the new 300-B-
> powered by a 340-hp. modified Firepower V-8 engine. Here is
> a car with all the rakish glamour of a sports car...plus
> full sedan roominess everywhere and plenty of luxurious
> comfort.
>
> And even though you're probably not looking to win races at
> 140 mph, the introduction of the 300-B is good news. For it
> points up the eager, surging responce that is yours in every
> Chrysler-including the Windsor V-8.
>
> See the exciting Chrysler 300-B-now on display."
>
> On the left side of the ad was the engine description:
>
> LOOK AT THE BRAWN OF IT-
>
> America's most poerful stock car-horsepower: 340 @ 5200 rpm.
> Torque: 385 @ 3200 to 3500 rpm. Compression ratio 9.0 to 1.
> Two 4-barrel carburetors, full race camshaft, mechanical
> valve lifters, adjustable valve rockers, heavy duty crankshaft
> bearings, hardened crankshaft, exhaust valve seat inserts.
> Special suspension for maximum cornering and road hugging
> performance. Power-Flite automatic or mechanical transmission.
> Power brakes...dual exhaust system...Wheelbase: 126 In...
> Overall length: 222.7 in. ...Heigth: 59.4 in.
>
> SEE YOUR CHRYSLER AND IMPERIAL DEALER
>
> Jim Faber
>>
>> From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 2003/11/21 Fri PM 02:16:57 EST
>> To: "Chrysler 300 list service" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [Chrysler300] How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
>>
>> Does anyone have knowledge on what was done to the several 300 B's that ran
>> at Daytona in 1956 that ran up to 139 mph.
>>
>> How close to stock were they. Somehow I have a tough time believing that
>> running on sand with the aerodynamics of a sail turning upward of 140 mph
>> with a stock motor would be doable.
>>
>> How close to stock were the Kiekhaefer autos.
>>
>> I have never seen any information on what were done to these cars, what rear
>> axle ratios they ran, transmissions, engine mods, body, frame and suspension
>> changes, how fast would they run on the straight-aways etc. etc.
>>
>> Are there any videos available on these cars and their racing
>> activities(Grand National and Daytona).
>>
>> Are any of the original cars still around?
>>
>> Sounds like would be an interesting book to have the history of these cars
>> and their exploits. This all applies to 55 C 300's also.
>>
>> Roger Schaaf
>> 300 B Calif.
>>
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>>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:06:17 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: weight
Question : I have to ship, via truck, a 413 motor. - stripped of all
accessories, pretty much a long block with heads . No intake, exhaust or
trimmings. The trucking company is asking for the weight. Anybody have
any idea of a good approximation? After wrestling with it this afternoon, I
can only attest to the fact that it is HEAVY.
Thanks in advance,
John Hertog
Sag Harbor NY
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:20:16 +1300
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
The racing & speed trials run at Daytona Speed Week were sanctioned by the
AMA(Auto Manf Association) so the cars had to be as they left the factory. I
have a '57 Daytona video where they show the cylinder heads being pulled to
bits prior to racing by officials. They were checking for any port work,
valve sizes etc etc. Everything had to be stock. The engines were then
reasembled and tag seals put on all components by race officials so there
was no "tweaking" after the inspection.
These things ran close to 140 out the factory door!
Owen
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Schaaf <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Chrysler 300 list service <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
Does anyone have knowledge on what was done to the several 300 B's that ran
at Daytona in 1956 that ran up to 139 mph.
How close to stock were they. Somehow I have a tough time believing that
running on sand with the aerodynamics of a sail turning upward of 140 mph
with a stock motor would be doable.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:43:03 +1300
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
Not sure about the B's but on the C's they got an extra 6mph on the test
track by sticking some clay on top of the front windshield. So I guess a
300D should be 6mph faster than a C?
O
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Schaaf <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>; Chrysler 300 list service
<chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
> I believe that the car that turned 139 plus had several also rans 300 B's
> that turned around 130 to 135. To get that additional 5 to 10 mph from
the
> slowest to the fastest would require a tremendous additional power in
these
> non-streamlined cars.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:47:27 -0800
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
I believe that the car that turned 139 plus had several also rans 300 B's
that turned around 130 to 135. To get that additional 5 to 10 mph from the
slowest to the fastest would require a tremendous additional power in these
non-streamlined cars.
What do you all suppose the fastest car had done that gave him this edge and
still remain factory stock.
Exhaust?, rear gearing?, motor blueprinting? cast iron cahones?, super
tuning of what sorts?, perhaps heaven forbid! some very clever cheating(naw
these Nascar, Daytona, Grand National heroes would never think of
this--sorry I lost my head).
Anyone with any ideas, let us all know what you think.
Somewhere out there(perhaps in the great beyond however) someone knows these
almost 50 year old secrets.
Roger Schaaf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Chrysler 300 list service" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Roger
Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
The racing & speed trials run at Daytona Speed Week were sanctioned by the
AMA(Auto Manf Association) so the cars had to be as they left the factory. I
have a '57 Daytona video where they show the cylinder heads being pulled to
bits prior to racing by officials. They were checking for any port work,
valve sizes etc etc. Everything had to be stock. The engines were then
reasembled and tag seals put on all components by race officials so there
was no "tweaking" after the inspection.
These things ran close to 140 out the factory door!
Owen
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Schaaf <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Chrysler 300 list service <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
Does anyone have knowledge on what was done to the several 300 B's that ran
at Daytona in 1956 that ran up to 139 mph.
How close to stock were they. Somehow I have a tough time believing that
running on sand with the aerodynamics of a sail turning upward of 140 mph
with a stock motor would be doable.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:33:40 -0800
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: weight
Take a look at this website for a guesstimate on your engine weight.
http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html
Also covers many other engine weights
Roger Schaaf
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Hertog" <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Chrysler 300 Club Listverver" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:06 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] weight
Question : I have to ship, via truck, a 413 motor. - stripped of all
accessories, pretty much a long block with heads . No intake, exhaust or
trimmings. The trucking company is asking for the weight. Anybody have
any idea of a good approximation? After wrestling with it this afternoon, I
can only attest to the fact that it is HEAVY.
Thanks in advance,
John Hertog
Sag Harbor NY
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:14:53 -0800
From: Rich Barber <barber@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
I have enjoyed the question and responses. My RV has similar
aerodynamics and my observation is that wind velocity and direction have
a significant effect. Time of day and resultant variance of ambient
temperature would also have an impact on the free air capacity of the
hemi.
Rich Barber
Roger Schaaf wrote:
>I believe that the car that turned 139 plus had several also rans 300 B's
>that turned around 130 to 135. To get that additional 5 to 10 mph from the
>slowest to the fastest would require a tremendous additional power in these
>non-streamlined cars.
>
>What do you all suppose the fastest car had done that gave him this edge and
>still remain factory stock.
>
>Exhaust?, rear gearing?, motor blueprinting? cast iron cahones?, super
>tuning of what sorts?, perhaps heaven forbid! some very clever cheating(naw
>these Nascar, Daytona, Grand National heroes would never think of
>this--sorry I lost my head).
>
>Anyone with any ideas, let us all know what you think.
>
>Somewhere out there(perhaps in the great beyond however) someone knows these
>almost 50 year old secrets.
>
>Roger Schaaf
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "Chrysler 300 list service" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Roger
>Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
>
>
>The racing & speed trials run at Daytona Speed Week were sanctioned by the
>AMA(Auto Manf Association) so the cars had to be as they left the factory. I
>have a '57 Daytona video where they show the cylinder heads being pulled to
>bits prior to racing by officials. They were checking for any port work,
>valve sizes etc etc. Everything had to be stock. The engines were then
>reasembled and tag seals put on all components by race officials so there
>was no "tweaking" after the inspection.
>These things ran close to 140 out the factory door!
>Owen
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Roger Schaaf <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Chrysler 300 list service <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:16 AM
>Subject: [Chrysler300] How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
>
>
>Does anyone have knowledge on what was done to the several 300 B's that ran
>at Daytona in 1956 that ran up to 139 mph.
>How close to stock were they. Somehow I have a tough time believing that
>running on sand with the aerodynamics of a sail turning upward of 140 mph
>with a stock motor would be doable.
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:20:10 EST
From: guyztoys@xxxxxxx
Subject: 300B verses 57 Chev
57 Chev people have a hard time dealing with a Mopar that upstages them .
Most of the mainstream car mags have given the 1 for 1 title to the 56 B.
Even though I don't have one ( wish I did ) , everyone seems to leave out the
57 DeSoto Adventurer that was 345/345.I believe it was the first American
auto to have a 1 for 1 engine as STANDARD.
Guy Morice
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:22:52 -0800
From: Ben Meisner <meisnerinc@xxxxxxx>
Subject: letter cars doing 135
Club, I have to jump into the mix on the speed of the B . I owned an E in 1960 and had the car reach 135 MPH, (SPEEDO) on many occasions . I also did a great deal of racing in my younger years . There were if they even existed dam few cars that would go by a letter car . That's a fact both on and off the track. I only was able to bottom out on the highway because in Canada we only had oval 1/2 mile tracks at the time . Bear in mind folks that a 10 degree difference in temperature means a 2% increase in power and these rigs ran the best early in the morning when it was cold , it also was important to have the old 100 octane and of course , you can bet your bottom dollar , those carbs were tuned by a pro to make certain that they were just on the edge of lean to get the maximum out of that can before it leaned out. You can also bet that the advance was not the same degrees that you would have bought across the counter . They ran those speeds and for many years , that is not smoke being blown in your ear that is a fact. There may have been the odd car go by the letter cars but if they did , when you removed the heads.. gee what a surprise you always found some extra work done.. just ask the folks at Buick....they got caught
Cheers
Meisner 300-E
Canada
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:50:46 EST
From: RONVE@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: weight
Hi John,
I have a chart from Chrysler which says the 413 weighs in at 640 lbs. However
it does not specifically state whether the intake and carb(s) are on it. I
think the way it reads the 640 would be a 'long block'.
Ron ...
=============================================================
In a message dated 11/21/2003 5:22:25 PM Central Standard Time,
crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> Question : I have to ship, via truck, a 413 motor. - stripped of all
> accessories, pretty much a long block with heads . No intake, exhaust or
> trimmings. The trucking company is asking for the weight. Anybody have
> any idea of a good approximation? After wrestling with it this afternoon, I
> can only attest to the fact that it is HEAVY.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> John Hertog
> Sag Harbor NY
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:05:48 -0500
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
Roger,
There is a process known as "Blueprinting" an engine. It involves bringing
all mechanical dimensions of an engine into tolerance. The major items that
are of concern are compression ratio, clearances (internal friction), piston
ring seal, and rotating assembly balance. It makes a big difference as to
the power potential verses the factory work. Typical factory finished
assemblies were pretty sloppy back then.
I've torn down and measured many factory engines. Lets use an example of a
factory compression ratio rated at 9.5 to 1. When you actually measure and
calculate the as delivered compression ratio, it wouldn't be unusual for the
9.5 engine to actually be 8.5 to 1 or lower with significant cylinder to
cylinder variation. After milling the heads down to minimum combustion
chamber volume and milling the block decks so the pistion domes stick up as
high as allowed and using the thinnest head gasket allowed, the compression
ratio meets or in some cases exceeds the factory rating with the individual
parts at their most favorable dimensions. This does wonders for horsepower.
Rehoning the cylinders opens the piston to wall clearance up a couple of
thousandths reducing friction and at the same time improves the ring seal.
This is usually the area where big gains can be made. Ring seal was usually
not very good in those older engines and significant power leaked past the
rings. I've personally taken brand new never run factory short blocks apart
and had to drive the pistons out with a hammer and broom handle because they
were so tight. Round straight cylinders with the proper cross hatch finish
and correct clearancing will pick the power output up more than any other
single item.
If these were Kiekhaefer prepared cars you can bet that they were well
massaged. Were they stock? They met stock specs just like my examples above.
Was it doable? Obviously they did it. Do I know specifically what they did
to get those performance levels? I wasn't there but I've done enough engines
to know what the possibilities are. Can you go 140MPH on 354 cubic inches?
You sure can.
Larry Johnson
>From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "Chrysler 300 list service" <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [Chrysler300] How did the 300 B turn 139 MPH at Daytona
>Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:16:57 -0800
>
>Does anyone have knowledge on what was done to the several 300 B's that ran
>at Daytona in 1956 that ran up to 139 mph.
>
>How close to stock were they. Somehow I have a tough time believing that
>running on sand with the aerodynamics of a sail turning upward of 140 mph
>with a stock motor would be doable.
>
>How close to stock were the Kiekhaefer autos.
>
>I have never seen any information on what were done to these cars, what
>rear axle ratios they ran, transmissions, engine mods, body, frame and
>suspension changes, how fast would they run on the straight-aways etc. etc.
>
>Are there any videos available on these cars and their racing
>activities(Grand National and Daytona).
>
>Are any of the original cars still around?
>
>Sounds like would be an interesting book to have the history of these cars
>and their exploits. This all applies to 55 C 300's also.
>
>Roger Schaaf
>300 B Calif.
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