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Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Mopar vs Bowtie.....Group Effort
From: Val Jeffers <edward1108@xxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: Mopar vs Bowtie.....Group Effort
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: Mopar vs Bowtie.....Group Effort
From: "JOHN MC ADAMS" <clafong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Fw: I have to have my 2 cents
From: "Bob Merritt at Simplex Mfg" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Mopar vs. Bowtie ... 300F
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
6. Carburator Cleaning
From: Chuck McGill <chuxter@xxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: Further: 300C Displaced Motors Database
From: Bill Leahy <leahy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Fwd: Lefty On The List.......Mopar vs Bowtie
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
9. Lefty On the List....Mopar vs Bowtie
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
10. Re: Lefty On the List....Mopar vs Bowtie
From: "bevacqua" <tonysru2@xxxxxxx>
11. 57-59 quarter panels
From: Lindsey Fuller <lfuller@xxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:38:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Val Jeffers <edward1108@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Mopar vs Bowtie.....Group Effort
I don't know what torqueflite you are refering to but
mine will stay in second gear until 3rd is pushed or
the cows come home !
--- "Laurence G. Johnson"
<laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> If you remember, the 2-3 upshift on a cast iron
> TorqueFlite is automatic and
> can't be controlled with the push buttons. So there
> isn't much to be gained
> with manual shifting. If the car still has the
> correct trans, the 1-2
> upshift will be about 47-4900 rpm, just right for
> this torque motor. This is
> a low rpm motor especially through the stock exhaust
> manifolds and mufflers.
> I street raced one of these ram cars back in the
> early 60's and there is
> nothing to be gained by shifting 1-2 above 5000 rpm,
> the stock trans is
> pretty close. If you spin the tires badly enough to
> cause an early upshift,
> your dead anyway.
> If you still have the stock torque convertor, you'll
> find that the convertor
> has a "sweeet spot" at aroung 1200-1500 rpm on the
> launch. Hold the car on
> the starting line with the brakes and preload the
> convertor a little bit. If
> you mash it from a dead idle the convertor delivers
> a big wallop to the rear
> tires and they may break loose and spin. If you come
> up on the convertor too
> far, you will be past the torque multiplication
> range and the car will leave
> sluggishly. You can find the right rpm on the
> street. Find a secluded
> stretch of ribbed concrete road and practice a few
> blasts. When you find the
> right rpm on the convertor, the car will leap
> forward with just a hint of
> tire spin. Good luck.
>
> >From: News4ge@xxxxxxx
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> Bowtie.....Group Effort
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> >I think if you put it in Drive and leave the line
> from idle speed, you're
> >being a good daddy and letting your kid win.
> Remember, you're representing
> >us! Sometimes a little smoke is ok - better than
> bogging down. I would
> >suggest a few practice launches with the "1" button
> pushed, one foot on the
> >brake and one foot revving it up as much as you can
> without breaking loose
> >(trial and error). You could lose traction anyway,
> but if you're in Drive,
> >you may get an upshift when you let up on it, and
> the race is over. If you
> >start in Low you can control the shifting.
> >
> >Best of luck! Don't embarrass him too much.
> >
> >George Clineman
> >
> >
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> >
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 11:23:23 -0400
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Mopar vs Bowtie.....Group Effort
The aluminium TorqueFlites, starting in 1962, could be held in second with
the 2 button and shifted manually into drive. All the pre-62 cast iron
transmissions would upshift into high all by themselves even when the 2
button was depressed. And it was always too early!! The only way I know of
the raise the 2-3 shift point on one of these old boxes was to remove the
tailshaft and the governor then lighten the governor weight in a lathe, not
a job for amateures. Too light and the shift point was then too high. What
year and type of trans were you referring too Val? LGJ
>From: Val Jeffers <edward1108@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
>News4ge@xxxxxxx, longrammopar@xxxxxxxxxxx, RedwoodLse@xxxxxxx,
>chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>I don't know what torqueflite you are refering to but
>mine will stay in second gear until 3rd is pushed or
>the cows come home !
>--- "Laurence G. Johnson"
><laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > If you remember, the 2-3 upshift on a cast iron
> > TorqueFlite is automatic and
> > can't be controlled with the push buttons. So there
> > isn't much to be gained
> > with manual shifting. If the car still has the
> > correct trans, the 1-2
> > upshift will be about 47-4900 rpm, just right for
> > this torque motor. This is
> > a low rpm motor especially through the stock exhaust
> > manifolds and mufflers.
> > I street raced one of these ram cars back in the
> > early 60's and there is
> > nothing to be gained by shifting 1-2 above 5000 rpm,
> > the stock trans is
> > pretty close. If you spin the tires badly enough to
> > cause an early upshift,
> > your dead anyway.
> > If you still have the stock torque convertor, you'll
> > find that the convertor
> > has a "sweeet spot" at aroung 1200-1500 rpm on the
> > launch. Hold the car on
> > the starting line with the brakes and preload the
> > convertor a little bit. If
> > you mash it from a dead idle the convertor delivers
> > a big wallop to the rear
> > tires and they may break loose and spin. If you come
> > up on the convertor too
> > far, you will be past the torque multiplication
> > range and the car will leave
> > sluggishly. You can find the right rpm on the
> > street. Find a secluded
> > stretch of ribbed concrete road and practice a few
> > blasts. When you find the
> > right rpm on the convertor, the car will leap
> > forward with just a hint of
> > tire spin. Good luck.
> >
> > >From: News4ge@xxxxxxx
> > >To: longrammopar@xxxxxxxxxxx, RedwoodLse@xxxxxxx,
> > >chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Mopar vs
> > Bowtie.....Group Effort
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> > >I think if you put it in Drive and leave the line
> > from idle speed, you're
> > >being a good daddy and letting your kid win.
> > Remember, you're representing
> > >us! Sometimes a little smoke is ok - better than
> > bogging down. I would
> > >suggest a few practice launches with the "1" button
> > pushed, one foot on the
> > >brake and one foot revving it up as much as you can
> > without breaking loose
> > >(trial and error). You could lose traction anyway,
> > but if you're in Drive,
> > >you may get an upshift when you let up on it, and
> > the race is over. If you
> > >start in Low you can control the shifting.
> > >
> > >Best of luck! Don't embarrass him too much.
> > >
> > >George Clineman
> > >
> > >
> > >[Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> > >
> >
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:06:51 -0700
From: "JOHN MC ADAMS" <clafong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Mopar vs Bowtie.....Group Effort
Well guys:
This is all very, very interesting and informative. Since I have never experienced the thrill of actually racing one of these brutes I have nothing of substance to recommend. Except to reinforce the suggestion of practice, practice, practice those line launches. That is probably where this race will be won.
Since I am a new member and not yet on the roster, I have a request.
I see that a number of you are recommending removing your air cleaners (just temporarily for the race) and I see that Don Verity has just listed a K&N Air filter number. It reminds me that I am in desperate need of a pair of complete Air Cleaners for my '63 / '64 Short Ram setup. I have heard that the club at one time had a few repro sets produced. Does anyone have a line on any that might be laying around? Not the oval ones, The Round ones. Also, if the club would sponsor another run of repro Air Cleaners, I would certainly be the first in line with a deposit. I'll even beg, Please, Please!
Thanks, and good luck with the "Great Race".
John Mc Adams
Contact at:
(clafong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:44:02 -0400
From: "Bob Merritt at Simplex Mfg" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: I have to have my 2 cents
Forwarding this from Jim McMullan, regarding the "Mopar vs Bowtie" subject.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim McMullan <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Bob Merritt <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:11 PM
Subject: I have to have my 2 cents
>
> Bob Please forward to list.The F was never That quick off the line.I
> had many cars that could beet my ( F) off the line 68 cuda 340S But a
> roiling start at 40 or above no problem even with the vets.Now if you want
it
> quick off the line remove the front bumper and leave it in the pits.Jim
> McMullan.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> --- macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 18:10:52 EDT
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
Subject: Mopar vs. Bowtie ... 300F
Hi all:
I have to beg to differ with the e-mails stating that the 300F is not so
quick off the line. My first new car was a '56 Dodge D500. I never lost a
drag race until the tri-powered Pontiacs came out. My D500 was blazing off
the line. BUT, having owned and driven both the D500 and now my 300F, it
would have never stood a chance against my 300F.
In January of 1996, John Characky finished rebuilding my engine, etc. We put
later model 440 heads on it but all else remained stock. I could run 87
octane with no pinging at 12 degrees btdc. The throttle was extremely
touchy. With 92 octane, and just a touch of the throttle, the F would
literally leap across intersections, so much so, that I opted to back off the
timing to stock 5 degrees btdc. It is still quick but more managable.
Before, I had a guilt complex hoping that other drivers would not think I was
showing off. I don't need a ticket.
If Lefty runs 95+ octane and doesn't screw up off the line, that bowtie will
never catch him.
Yous da man Lefty, yous da man!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Reitz
Northridge, CA
300F
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:32:19 -0700
From: Chuck McGill <chuxter@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Carburator Cleaning
Hi Gang,
Not too long ago there was a discussion on what to use to remove the
oxidation that appeared on a carb that has been sitting for a long time. I
saw the answer(s) but now that I need them..... ;-(
Chuck
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 15:33:02 -0700
From: Bill Leahy <leahy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Further: 300C Displaced Motors Database
old bill leahy and his basket case 57 c is a little displaced himself...let
alone the engine out of his car.
anyone sporting this number however they match up... Bill's VIN 3N572997
bill leahy
kennewick, washington
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:48:00 EDT
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
Subject: Fwd: Lefty On The List.......Mopar vs Bowtie
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:03:00 EDT
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
Subject: Lefty On the List....Mopar vs Bowtie
Lefty has been hired to be the secretary to the crazy goings-on that are the
result of your voluminous response to Jett's plea for advice. Larry's out
working on the F but this is what I see so far. He has removed the front
bumper, all three extra seats inside, the spare, jack, tools, trunk carpet,
wheel covers, exhaust manifolds(!) front sway bar and nuts holding front
shocks on top. He has replaced the 440 that was there with a 413 because the
pistons and crank are lighter (There is a swinging water bucket example that
explains all this perfectly clear). He has bought Hooser Slicks on Ford
wheels, raised the left torsion bar up to load the right rear spinning tire,
and is currently removing the aluminum torqueflight the previous owner
installed because it shifts to high without asking. The rear springs have
been unclamped and icebags procured for the space under the intakes as well
as the incoming gas line swirled around many times in a coffee can filled
with dry ice on it's way to carbs dryer ducted to the front of the radiator.
The air cleaners have been on and off so many times that the threads are worn
based on the latest thinking regarding their importance. Most belts have
been loosened, the chokes wired stright up and down (darn hard to start it
now) and belt dressing has been sprayed all over the rear tires plus the
leftover amount applied to his hands to grip the steering wheel tighter. The
front tires have 35 pounds in them and the rears have 25 on one side and 40
on the other to please both schools of thought. K AND N filters are inside
the filter cans even though not attached to the car. (Don't want to take any
chances here) Jett has left the distributor loosely bolted so it can catch
any of the recommendations from 4 to 12 degrees it sees fit at time of
battle. He has the weekend to add or subract any more pieces you can
suggest. The one item all agreed on is in a 5 gallon tank. It is 114 proof
leaded firepower. The stuff sure stinks. Jett has to bring his truck in
tomorrw to bring it home as the fumes from even the closed and sealed can in
the trunk are powerful. Thanks to all that have contributed to the group
eFFort as far. As always, Lefty
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:05:22 -0700
From: "bevacqua" <tonysru2@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Lefty On the List....Mopar vs Bowtie
Aren't you glad you asked, Lefty?? That was a super response to all the
ideas!!! LOL!!!
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: <Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx>
To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:03 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Lefty On the List....Mopar vs Bowtie
> Lefty has been hired to be the secretary to the crazy goings-on that are
the
> result of your voluminous response to Jett's plea for advice. Larry's out
> working on the F but this is what I see so far. He has removed the front
> bumper, all three extra seats inside, the spare, jack, tools, trunk
carpet,
> wheel covers, exhaust manifolds(!) front sway bar and nuts holding front
> shocks on top. He has replaced the 440 that was there with a 413 because
the
> pistons and crank are lighter (There is a swinging water bucket example
that
> explains all this perfectly clear). He has bought Hooser Slicks on Ford
> wheels, raised the left torsion bar up to load the right rear spinning
tire,
> and is currently removing the aluminum torqueflight the previous owner
> installed because it shifts to high without asking. The rear springs have
> been unclamped and icebags procured for the space under the intakes as
well
> as the incoming gas line swirled around many times in a coffee can filled
> with dry ice on it's way to carbs dryer ducted to the front of the
radiator.
> The air cleaners have been on and off so many times that the threads are
worn
> based on the latest thinking regarding their importance. Most belts have
> been loosened, the chokes wired stright up and down (darn hard to start it
> now) and belt dressing has been sprayed all over the rear tires plus the
> leftover amount applied to his hands to grip the steering wheel tighter.
The
> front tires have 35 pounds in them and the rears have 25 on one side and
40
> on the other to please both schools of thought. K AND N filters are
inside
> the filter cans even though not attached to the car. (Don't want to take
any
> chances here) Jett has left the distributor loosely bolted so it can
catch
> any of the recommendations from 4 to 12 degrees it sees fit at time of
> battle. He has the weekend to add or subract any more pieces you can
> suggest. The one item all agreed on is in a 5 gallon tank. It is 114
proof
> leaded firepower. The stuff sure stinks. Jett has to bring his truck in
> tomorrw to bring it home as the fumes from even the closed and sealed can
in
> the trunk are powerful. Thanks to all that have contributed to the group
> eFFort as far. As always, Lefty
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:34:17 -0500
From: Lindsey Fuller <lfuller@xxxxxxx>
Subject: 57-59 quarter panels
does anyone know if these are being produced yet, and if so, where does
one get them? thanks
Lindsey
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