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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Where is the actual difference in size inbetween a "C" and a "D"
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: Where is the actual difference in size inbetween a "C" and a
"D"
From: "Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
3. Models Help
From: Leggatt <leggatt@xxxxxxx>
4. '57 Torqueflite (fluid w/water or coolant)
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Availability of WWW Radial Replacements for 9.00x14 Bias Ply
Tires
From: Tony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
6. '57 Torqueflite (4 and last ..)
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. NOT mine
From: paulholm <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:03:09 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Where is the actual difference in size inbetween a "C" and a "D"
Hi Ulf,
There are innumerable differences between a C and a D. The length change
is because the D front and rear bumper brackets are redesigned and are
much heavier; those on the C bent too easily and the bumper was just too
close to the body. I am not aware of any reason for a change in car
width. The seat springs were redesigned in '58; again the C springs were
a little too light for the need in a heavy-duty-suspended car so they
beefed them up for the D and perhaps the New Yorker also. Especially the
rear seat had been, for the center passenger, very uncomfortable. The
change in overall car height may be accounted for by the fact the rear
springs were re-engineered to a different length and the front suspension
may have compensated slightly for this.
The tail lights and interior trimming are indeed obvious. Less obvious
are things like the color of the gauges was changed, the stamped aluminum
in the radio and ash receiver bezel is different, reinforcing bars were
added from the cowl to the inner fenders to take out some vibration, and
things totally obscure like the radiator support panel from fender to
fender was reengineered in most of its fasteners to speed production.
These are the sort of things that go on every year in the industry and are
support to anyone comparing any two years of cars who will say the newer
car is a better car. The manufacturers are always learning how to make it
better. At the same time they are also driven by profits so there is also
the need to make it cheaper. Like everything else in life, there are
trade-offs.
Personally, all things considered, I thought everything came together to
my satisfaction in 1957.
Wayne
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:23:54 -0500
From: "Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Where is the actual difference in size inbetween a "C" and a
"D"
The Winter 1994 issue of the club newsletter has an article, "Lower,
Taller,
Wider, Longer and Faster which lists many of the differences between the
300C and 300D. Someone with a decent scanner might be able to send it to
you.
Gloria Moon
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:43:37 -0500
From: Leggatt <leggatt@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Models Help
Hi,
Please could someone help Gary Nelson re: this model. I did not keep
the pertinent information.
Greg.
Date:
Thu, 7 Feb 2002 05:41:44 -0800
From:
"Gary" <gwn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:
"Leggatt" <leggatt@xxxxxxx>
References:
1
Hi Greg
Thanks for the kudos.
My personal email has been down for weeks. Just have not had time to
work on
it.
I have not been on the List Server all this time. Don't know if I missed
much?
One thing you could check on for me. A few months ago I committed for
one of
the die cast Black C Coupe models.
I never heard more about it. It may have been after my personal email
dropped off. As my car is a Black C Coupe
I would like to get one. I would appreciate if you could find out if I
can
still get one.
Just use my business email for know
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:56:19 +0100
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: '57 Torqueflite (fluid w/water or coolant)
Hi,
I've put some pics i took when we disassembled the transmission.
You'll see the worn front clutches and the color of the "fluid"
!! Yesterday i said "water" but perhaps it's "coolant" . As i
said a shop tested the radiator and there's no leakage.
Pics are at http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f/tq.htm
If the replacement screws held, we have to conclude that the
failed screws
were the wrong grade of steel. I assume you are sure the
conversion from US
specs (inch pounds?) to European specs (dyne cm?) were done
correctly?
It seems that the screws were weaken (heat ?). The torque was 15
to 20 ft.lbs (we have a torque wrench with US scale) and the
screws broke before, perhaps at 5 ft.lbs.
B/T/W.......I wouldn't re-use the rear clutches, even if they
appeared good. The clutch materail is absorbent, and still could
be mixed with water. I'd not want to take a chance; changing
them is cheap compared to rebuilding again.
We've put new rear clutches (and new rings, new gasket, etc..)
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Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)
Imperial 57 Crown convertible
Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
- Chrysler Imperial France : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " :
http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:25:23 -0500
From: Tony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Availability of WWW Radial Replacements for 9.00x14 Bias Ply
Tires
Hi to all,
I have received the following update from Allen Sturm, Vice President for
Sales at Coker Tire. Looks like the availability of these P235/75R14 2"
wide
whitewall radial tires will soon arrive after this long wait. Hopefully,
good things will come to those who wait. They also will be producing a
separate tire with a narrow white wall for '70's cars. His message is
attached below and is self explanatory.
The last person to be added to the list was July 24, 2001. If you sent me
an
e-mail wanting to be added to the list after that time, I don't have it.
Please send it again. If you are not sure whether you are on the list feel
free to send me an e-mail with the number of sets that you may want and I
will confirm that you are on the list. Again, there is no obligation and
you
have nothing to lose except a discount if you choose to buy a set(s). How
about your friends who don't have e-mail. If they want to be on the
waiting
list, send me an e-mail for them. The cut off date will be sometime in
March, 2002. We currently have 80 sets spoken for.
Need new tire to get you to the spring show in Rhode Island?
Tony
awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx
Dear Dr. Tony,
We appreciate yours and your club members patience while we developed this
new P235/75R14 wide whitewall radial tire. The time is soon approaching
when we will have completed the testing and actually have inventory ready
to
ship!
The information that we have been given states that the factory will begin
producing this tire at the end of February. The hope is to have some of
them in stock by mid to end of March in time for the spring show season.
I am sensitive to the patience that your organization has exhibited in
this
effort and will extend the discount for those that have actually placed
their name on the list prior to the deadline. I will send you a formal
cutoff time that we will close the list (sometime in March) as soon as I
get
confirmation of the first shipment of tires to our company.
We appreciate your patience and the effort you have placed in organizing
this bulk purchase.
Allen Sturm,
Vice President of Sales
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 00:02:35 +0100
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: '57 Torqueflite (4 and last ..)
This evening we've completed the overhaul of the Torqueflite and
install it in the car. The trans. works again, no motion in N and
reverse in R !! Just need a slight adjustement of the cable
because the N button doesn't always return when we push the R
button (and so the reverse doesn't engage at trans.). We've to
push D (or 1 or 2) button then push R button to engage R.
We found something about the rebuild kit: the extension (paper)
gasket has all the correct holes for the bolts but hasn't a hole
for the breather which is at the top of the extension case ! So
the breather is not related to the inside of the trans. I'm sure
that all the later extension gaskets we put on the transmissions
we overhauled, haven't this hole in the gasket ..
- Does this little omission could prevent condensation to escape
from trans. ?
- Does this little omission is the culprit on my trans. which has
a tendency to blow out oil through fill tube when the trans. pan
is full (converter drain back)
Pic of the breather oil is at
http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f/images/tq5.jpg
On this trans. we cut a little hole in the gasket...
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Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)
Imperial 57 Crown convertible
Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
- Chrysler Imperial France : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " :
http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:31:20 -0500
From: paulholm <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: NOT mine
but someone might be interested in this
NO bids yet so I shouldnt be stepping on any toes.
This edition of Mechanix Illustrated June 1955 features Tom McCahill and
the 1955 Chrysler 300 B. This is in nice condition.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1510426537
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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