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There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Vasteras, Sweden - Big Meet pictures and story !
From: "NANCY TERRY" <nterry2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
2. popping
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: popping
From: ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx
4. Re: popping
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
5. popping reply to all
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. RE: popping
From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
7. Re: popping
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
8. "Popping on G"
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
9. Re: popping reply to all
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: "Popping on G"
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: popping
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
12. RE: popping
From: "JOHN MC ADAMS" <clafong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: popping
From: mwl1967@xxxxxxx
14. Fw: 300 C Noise
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
15. RE: popping
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
16. Formal Black 1961 Chrysler 300 For Sale
From: "Richard Rowlands" <rrowlands@xxxxxxxxxxx>
17. Fwd: Fw: 300 C Noise
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
18. Re: Fw: 300 C Noise
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
19. popping - suggestions
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
20. Popping
From: "Dan Selhorst" <selhorst1@xxxxxx>
21. Re: Popping
From: paulholm <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
22. I've Got it John
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
23. Re: popping reply to all
From: jlsavard@xxxxxxx
24. Re: Fw: 300 C Noise
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
25. Re: popping
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:31:11 +0000
From: "NANCY TERRY" <nterry2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Vasteras, Sweden - Big Meet pictures and story !
Wow!
Sure am looking forward to a trip to the Skandinavian countries where we can
meet some of these members AND their cars.
Nancy Terry
>From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [Chrysler300] Vasteras, Sweden - Big Meet pictures and story !
>Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:30:14 -0400
>
>Hi to all,
>
>Once in awhile it is good to be reminded of the "International" word in our
>Club name.
>Yes, there are 300 lovers the world over. And, particularly, in northern
>Europe. Our friends (and fellow Club members ) in Sweden, Norway and
>Finland
>are just as nuts as we are - if not nuttier, when you consider how hard it
>is to restore a 300 here in the USA. Imagine having to do this when you
>live
>in Europe !!!
>
>We are fortunate, in this day and age, to have a listserver which allows
>all
>of us to communicate easily and inexpensiely all year round. It has brought
>us closer to our "foreign" members, especially those living on other
>continents.
>
>Please check out the following link for Oddvin Skråmestø 's report of this
>past July's "Big Meet" in Vasteras, Sweden. This is can also be accessed
>thru our Web site's EVENTS page. Guys, we are proud of you !!! and the
>tattoo takes the cake !!!
>
>http://www.chrysler300club.com/events/vasteras02/vasteras02.html
>
>300'ly all over the world !
>
>John
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:46:40 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: popping
Hi to all,.
I am experiencing a problem which has left me befuddled. Perhaps someone on
this list can help, might have dealt with it before?
The patient is a 300G convertible in bone stock trim . The problem is
popping / burping / backfiring thru the carb(s) on left hand turns.
Before y'all say "carb. float adjustement" , let me tell you that I have
tried THREE different pairs of carbs on this car. I even took a pair of
carbs off my 300G convert, which does NOT pop when making any kind of turn
at any speed. I even roadtested my "G" convert. before removing the carbs
and made many turns at varying speeds before determining that it does not,
ever, pop back thru the carbs.
The result of all this carb swapping has left me completely mystified. The
sick car still pops thru the carbs when making a left. Even pops through the
carbs from my 300G convert, which I know are good. This is a dangerous
situation as it can pop / backfire thru the carbs so hard at times that it
will stall ! The popping mostly occurs when giving a little throttle while
going through the turn - as one would normally drive.
The car runs PEFECTLY otherwise. Good idle. Plenty of power. No accelerator
pump lag. Runs like a dream at any speed - except when making a left turn
I have taken off the rams, reinstalled with new intake gasket. No
difference. This feels like a fuel problem, and not electrical. I have
checked all the wiring, and indeed all the connections to distributor, coil,
etc.
Help. I don't know where to go from here.
John
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:57:24 +0000
From: ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: popping
Hi John -
Here's some possible help with the diagnostic.
Put the front of the car up on jack stands. The car need
not be running. Turn the wheel to the left and have
someone else watch to see what is happening, possibly
from below. Is a flexible fuel line getting crimped when
the wheels are turned ?
Is there an electric fuel pump involved ? Also, does
this happen *every time* you make a left hand turn and
apply gas, or is it an intermittent problem ? What
happens when you make a left and don't apply gas ?
Ron
> Hi to all,.
>
> I am experiencing a problem which has left me befuddled. Perhaps someone on
> this list can help, might have dealt with it before?
>
> The patient is a 300G convertible in bone stock trim . The problem is
> popping / burping / backfiring thru the carb(s) on left hand turns.
>
> Before y'all say "carb. float adjustement" , let me tell you that I have
> tried THREE different pairs of carbs on this car. I even took a pair of
> carbs off my 300G convert, which does NOT pop when making any kind of turn
> at any speed. I even roadtested my "G" convert. before removing the carbs
> and made many turns at varying speeds before determining that it does not,
> ever, pop back thru the carbs.
>
> The result of all this carb swapping has left me completely mystified. The
> sick car still pops thru the carbs when making a left. Even pops through the
> carbs from my 300G convert, which I know are good. This is a dangerous
> situation as it can pop / backfire thru the carbs so hard at times that it
> will stall ! The popping mostly occurs when giving a little throttle while
> going through the turn - as one would normally drive.
>
> The car runs PEFECTLY otherwise. Good idle. Plenty of power. No accelerator
> pump lag. Runs like a dream at any speed - except when making a left turn
>
> I have taken off the rams, reinstalled with new intake gasket. No
> difference. This feels like a fuel problem, and not electrical. I have
> checked all the wiring, and indeed all the connections to distributor, coil,
> etc.
>
> Help. I don't know where to go from here.
>
> John
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:03:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: popping
Electrical problem?
--- John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi to all,.
>
> I am experiencing a problem which has left me
> befuddled. Perhaps someone on
> this list can help, might have dealt with it before?
>
> The patient is a 300G convertible in bone stock trim
> . The problem is
> popping / burping / backfiring thru the carb(s) on
> left hand turns.
>
> Before y'all say "carb. float adjustement" , let me
> tell you that I have
> tried THREE different pairs of carbs on this car. I
> even took a pair of
> carbs off my 300G convert, which does NOT pop when
> making any kind of turn
> at any speed. I even roadtested my "G" convert.
> before removing the carbs
> and made many turns at varying speeds before
> determining that it does not,
> ever, pop back thru the carbs.
>
> The result of all this carb swapping has left me
> completely mystified. The
> sick car still pops thru the carbs when making a
> left. Even pops through the
> carbs from my 300G convert, which I know are good.
> This is a dangerous
> situation as it can pop / backfire thru the carbs so
> hard at times that it
> will stall ! The popping mostly occurs when giving a
> little throttle while
> going through the turn - as one would normally
> drive.
>
> The car runs PEFECTLY otherwise. Good idle. Plenty
> of power. No accelerator
> pump lag. Runs like a dream at any speed - except
> when making a left turn
>
> I have taken off the rams, reinstalled with new
> intake gasket. No
> difference. This feels like a fuel problem, and not
> electrical. I have
> checked all the wiring, and indeed all the
> connections to distributor, coil,
> etc.
>
> Help. I don't know where to go from here.
>
> John
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:08:46 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: popping reply to all
In reply to Ron and others : in the interim I have installed the carbs that
were originally on the "popping" 300G, onto my 300G convert. My 300G still
runs fine and no pops.
Fuel supply is adequate, and the sick car runs fine under any kind of
condition - full throttle, part throttle, idle. You can really beat on it
and it doesn't run out of gas.
Popping mostly occurs on left hand turns. There MIGHT be some slight popping
on right turns but it is a lot harder to make it pop on right turns, if at
all.
There is no interfence with wheel - tire ; motor mounts are good. Yes, this
problem is not intermittent. It will happen at will when accelerating thru a
left turn. There is a traffic circle next to my house and when I go around
it and just touch the accelerator, the danged car pops thru the carbs. If I
try to accelerate harder, it pops more, sometimes stalls.
This problem occured before intake system was removed. Since
reinstallation, there has been not one bit of difference. That would rule
out intake leaks. Would also seem to rule out an obvious wiring problem
since wires were moved / jiggled when intake was taken off and reinstalled.
Plenty of fuel supply - car runs great under any kind of load ; not the
carbs, I have ruled that out. Doesn't SEEM to be electrical. I am not
making HARD left turns at great speed, just driving like a normal person.
What it FEELS like is fuel sloshing into the carbs and making them pop, but
that is not logical because of all the carb switching I have done.
Aaaargh
John
----- Original Message -----
From: <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "John Hertog" <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Chrysler 300 Club Listverver" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] popping
> Hi John -
>
> Here's some possible help with the diagnostic.
>
> Put the front of the car up on jack stands. The car need
> not be running. Turn the wheel to the left and have
> someone else watch to see what is happening, possibly
> from below. Is a flexible fuel line getting crimped when
> the wheels are turned ?
>
> Is there an electric fuel pump involved ? Also, does
> this happen *every time* you make a left hand turn and
> apply gas, or is it an intermittent problem ? What
> happens when you make a left and don't apply gas ?
>
> Ron
> > Hi to all,.
> >
> > I am experiencing a problem which has left me befuddled. Perhaps someone
on
> > this list can help, might have dealt with it before?
> >
> > The patient is a 300G convertible in bone stock trim . The problem is
> > popping / burping / backfiring thru the carb(s) on left hand turns.
> >
> > Before y'all say "carb. float adjustement" , let me tell you that I have
> > tried THREE different pairs of carbs on this car. I even took a pair of
> > carbs off my 300G convert, which does NOT pop when making any kind of
turn
> > at any speed. I even roadtested my "G" convert. before removing the
carbs
> > and made many turns at varying speeds before determining that it does
not,
> > ever, pop back thru the carbs.
> >
> > The result of all this carb swapping has left me completely mystified.
The
> > sick car still pops thru the carbs when making a left. Even pops through
the
> > carbs from my 300G convert, which I know are good. This is a dangerous
> > situation as it can pop / backfire thru the carbs so hard at times that
it
> > will stall ! The popping mostly occurs when giving a little throttle
while
> > going through the turn - as one would normally drive.
> >
> > The car runs PEFECTLY otherwise. Good idle. Plenty of power. No
accelerator
> > pump lag. Runs like a dream at any speed - except when making a left
turn
> >
> > I have taken off the rams, reinstalled with new intake gasket. No
> > difference. This feels like a fuel problem, and not electrical. I have
> > checked all the wiring, and indeed all the connections to distributor,
coil,
> > etc.
> >
> > Help. I don't know where to go from here.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:14:30 -0600
From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: popping
Aside from giving up and just shipping the car to me with the title ;-) The only other wacky idea I might have is the distributor/timing, since a weight shift during the turn might possibly move something inside the distributor to effect timing. I think it's more likely to be an interference problem of some kind, potentially even a vacuum line (including the big ones for the power brake booster, which run to the extra tank under the left front fender). Do you dare try this manuever with out vacuum lines attached to the booster? If there's any interference with a vacuum or fuel line when making the turn, it would certainly effect air/fuel ratio, and could cause backfire.
I once had an itermittent problem like this on a 62, and it turned out that the condenser had worked itself loose and would sometimes not provide spark at the right time, causing excess fuel build up and ultimate backfire.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hertog [mailto:crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:47 PM
To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver
Subject: [Chrysler300] popping
Hi to all,.
I am experiencing a problem which has left me befuddled. Perhaps someone on
this list can help, might have dealt with it before?
The patient is a 300G convertible in bone stock trim . The problem is
popping / burping / backfiring thru the carb(s) on left hand turns.
Before y'all say "carb. float adjustement" , let me tell you that I have
tried THREE different pairs of carbs on this car. I even took a pair of
carbs off my 300G convert, which does NOT pop when making any kind of turn
at any speed. I even roadtested my "G" convert. before removing the carbs
and made many turns at varying speeds before determining that it does not,
ever, pop back thru the carbs.
The result of all this carb swapping has left me completely mystified. The
sick car still pops thru the carbs when making a left. Even pops through the
carbs from my 300G convert, which I know are good. This is a dangerous
situation as it can pop / backfire thru the carbs so hard at times that it
will stall ! The popping mostly occurs when giving a little throttle while
going through the turn - as one would normally drive.
The car runs PEFECTLY otherwise. Good idle. Plenty of power. No accelerator
pump lag. Runs like a dream at any speed - except when making a left turn
I have taken off the rams, reinstalled with new intake gasket. No
difference. This feels like a fuel problem, and not electrical. I have
checked all the wiring, and indeed all the connections to distributor, coil,
etc.
Help. I don't know where to go from here.
John
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:46:14 -0700
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: popping
John, you've mystified me as well but I'll throw in a couple of long shot
suggestions to possibly get on the right track. (or to rule out....if you
already haven't)
I have experienced backfiring caused by three things. Ignition timing,
Carburator misadjustment/malfunction, and vacuum leaks. If it were me and I
had ruled out intake gasket/valley pan leaks as well as carburator problems
I would check the timing chain and distributor for wear. Sounds like none of
these are problems though if the engine is performing well other than in a
left turn.
Given that the problem only occurs when you turn I'd check the following
things: Make sure the steering isn't binding or crimping any fuel or vacuum
lines as well as any ignition wires. If the car has a neautral safety switch
like my '65 the wire runs up right near the steering column in front of the
firewall and could be worn through but only shorts on the column when you
turn? (cutting the ignition briefly can cause a backfire)
If none of these turn up any problems, try running the car from a small gas
can under the hood? Does this problem exist when the engine is both hot and
cold? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....I'll keep thinking on this one.
Good Luck. Ryan Hill
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:07:50 EDT
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
Subject: "Popping on G"
Hi all:
I hate to throw the proverbial monkey wrench into much of what has
been suggested but, as John is aware, I have had the same problem for well
over a year, except that mine backfires through the driver's side carb (at
least I think thats the one) at times just leaving a red light, as well as in
a turn. Occasionally, although not often, it will do it when I am trying to
start it as well, but I think that is just buildup in the carbs. While
John's car limits its tantrums to left turns, mine is not so particular and,
at times, will do it in either direction. Please understand that this is
intermittent, not constant, and it has to be a turn where you are moving
fairly well, but not too fast (like maybe 10-20 mph). At speed, with your
foot on the gas, no problems whatsoever.
Just thought I would throw this in for whatever it may be worth.
Pete Fitch
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:44:08 -0700
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: popping reply to all
Is the fuel pressure the same in both cars? Could higher pressure in the
problem car cause the needle/seat to close a little slower and allow the
bowls to fill up higher? Grasping at straws here......the seats 'should'
keep the level as set.
Ryan
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:12:08 -0700
From: Mike Apfelbeck <moparmike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: "Popping on G"
I would hate to admit how much money I spent on my daily driver ,recently,
to stop it from spitting back thru the carburetor, under load. Changed the
carburetor, spark plugs and every piece of the ignition system from the key
switch out. Last thing I changed was the plug wires, and thats what it was,
they had only been on there a year, I just knew they couldn't be the
problem. Sometimes you just never know where the gremlin is hiding.
Mike,
poorer and hopefully wiser
At 03:07 PM 9/24/2002 -0400, moparpjf@xxxxxxx wrote:
>Hi all:
>
> I hate to throw the proverbial monkey wrench into much of what has
>been suggested but, as John is aware, I have had the same problem for well
>over a year, except that mine backfires through the driver's side carb (at
>least I think thats the one) at times just leaving a red light, as well as in
>a turn. Occasionally, although not often, it will do it when I am trying to
>start it as well, but I think that is just buildup in the carbs. While
>John's car limits its tantrums to left turns, mine is not so particular and,
>at times, will do it in either direction. Please understand that this is
>intermittent, not constant, and it has to be a turn where you are moving
>fairly well, but not too fast (like maybe 10-20 mph). At speed, with your
>foot on the gas, no problems whatsoever.
>
> Just thought I would throw this in for whatever it may be worth.
>
>Pete Fitch
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:08:15 +1200
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: popping
Hi John
Is it possible that fuel flow is somehow being impeded through internals of
the rams? Excess fuel sitting in the rams?
Owen
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:46 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] popping
> Hi to all,.
>
> I am experiencing a problem which has left me befuddled. Perhaps someone
on
> this list can help, might have dealt with it before?
>
> The patient is a 300G convertible in bone stock trim . The problem is
> popping / burping / backfiring thru the carb(s) on left hand turns.
>
> Before y'all say "carb. float adjustement" , let me tell you that I have
> tried THREE different pairs of carbs on this car. I even took a pair of
> carbs off my 300G convert, which does NOT pop when making any kind of turn
> at any speed. I even roadtested my "G" convert. before removing the carbs
> and made many turns at varying speeds before determining that it does not,
> ever, pop back thru the carbs.
>
> The result of all this carb swapping has left me completely mystified.
The
> sick car still pops thru the carbs when making a left. Even pops through
the
> carbs from my 300G convert, which I know are good. This is a dangerous
> situation as it can pop / backfire thru the carbs so hard at times that it
> will stall ! The popping mostly occurs when giving a little throttle while
> going through the turn - as one would normally drive.
>
> The car runs PEFECTLY otherwise. Good idle. Plenty of power. No
accelerator
> pump lag. Runs like a dream at any speed - except when making a left turn
>
> I have taken off the rams, reinstalled with new intake gasket. No
> difference. This feels like a fuel problem, and not electrical. I have
> checked all the wiring, and indeed all the connections to distributor,
coil,
> etc.
>
> Help. I don't know where to go from here.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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> Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:14:37 -0700
From: "JOHN MC ADAMS" <clafong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: popping
Hey John:
You really have the list server in an uproar. In addition to the suggestions that I sent you directly before, I have another long shot.
Could it be in the power steering system? Try removing or loosening the belt on the power steering pump and see if it still does it on the turns. Maybe the power steering pump is putting too much of a load on the engine and it lugs down enough to backfire.
If not, see if you can locate which carb is the offending one and try tracing that a little further.
This is like a great scavenger hunt from school days.
Good Luck,
John Mc Adams
-----Original Message-----
From: Owen & Jo Grigg [mailto:ram300@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:08 PM
To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver; John Hertog
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] popping
Hi John
Is it possible that fuel flow is somehow being impeded through internals of
the rams? Excess fuel sitting in the rams?
Owen
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:46 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] popping
> Hi to all,.
>
> I am experiencing a problem which has left me befuddled. Perhaps someone
on
> this list can help, might have dealt with it before?
>
> The patient is a 300G convertible in bone stock trim . The problem is
> popping / burping / backfiring thru the carb(s) on left hand turns.
>
> Before y'all say "carb. float adjustement" , let me tell you that I have
> tried THREE different pairs of carbs on this car. I even took a pair of
> carbs off my 300G convert, which does NOT pop when making any kind of turn
> at any speed. I even roadtested my "G" convert. before removing the carbs
> and made many turns at varying speeds before determining that it does not,
> ever, pop back thru the carbs.
>
> The result of all this carb swapping has left me completely mystified.
The
> sick car still pops thru the carbs when making a left. Even pops through
the
> carbs from my 300G convert, which I know are good. This is a dangerous
> situation as it can pop / backfire thru the carbs so hard at times that it
> will stall ! The popping mostly occurs when giving a little throttle while
> going through the turn - as one would normally drive.
>
> The car runs PEFECTLY otherwise. Good idle. Plenty of power. No
accelerator
> pump lag. Runs like a dream at any speed - except when making a left turn
>
> I have taken off the rams, reinstalled with new intake gasket. No
> difference. This feels like a fuel problem, and not electrical. I have
> checked all the wiring, and indeed all the connections to distributor,
coil,
> etc.
>
> Help. I don't know where to go from here.
>
> John
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:46:31 EDT
From: mwl1967@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: popping
John,
you mentioned you changed the intake gasket already and that
should "rule out" vacuum leaks. maybe there's a hairline crack on one of
the ram tubes which opens up slightly or perhaps one of the castings beneath
the carb is porous? How about running it on a single 4bbl? Maybe break
out the can of quick start and start ( if you havent already ) looking for an
external leak someplace. Worst comes to worse just dont make any left turns
:)
Mike
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:10:54 -0500
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: 300 C Noise
Joe McCormick is having trouble posting to the listserver so I am posting this for him.
Reply to the list or directly to Joe at ejmc300c@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Thanks.
Wayne
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From: Joe McCormick <ejmc300c@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:59 PM
Subject: 300 c noise
Hi,
This is the first time I have asked a question and it's a puzzler.
My 300 C has developed a loud ( very loud ) squeeling noise,
it seems to be from the front, but it's so loud it's hard to tell.
When the car is cold, no noise. You drive for 2 to 3 miles
and it starts out as an intermittent chirp then turns loud in
about another mile. Here's what I have done.
1. new front wheel bearings
2. front brake linings look good
3. backed off front brake adjusters
Nothing seems to help. It seems to get worse if I accelerate
or turn the steering wheel to the left.
Any ideas would be appreciated !!!!!!
Thanks in advance for any suggestions...
Joe..
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:19:10 -0400
From: "Laurence G. Johnson" <laurence_g_johnson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: popping
John,
Looks like youv'e pretty well eliminated the carbs from suspicion. This is a
really unusual problem that deserves a solution so we can all benefit and
gain new knowledge.
I would look at mechanical things next. What happens when you turn left? The
steering wheel and attendant shafts and universal rotate to some degree and
work the gears in the steering box. The power steering pump works harder and
perhaps kicks on its mount a little bit. The steering shaft rotates to the
right and shifts the Pitman arm, idler arm, the drag link and tierods move
and the tires turn. All of these actions could be pulling or otherwise
disturbing a hose, wire some other mechanical apparatus connected to the
induction or ignition systems. I'g get someone (I usually get my wife) to
slowly turn the wheel to the left then back to center while I look at the
details above. Good luck and PLEASE post on the list server what the
problem is when you track it down.
>From: John Hertog [mailto:crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 12:47 PM
>To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver
>Subject: [Chrysler300] popping
>
>
>Hi to all,.
>
>I am experiencing a problem which has left me befuddled. Perhaps someone on
>this list can help, might have dealt with it before?
>
>The patient is a 300G convertible in bone stock trim . The problem is
>popping / burping / backfiring thru the carb(s) on left hand turns.
>
>Before y'all say "carb. float adjustement" , let me tell you that I have
>tried THREE different pairs of carbs on this car. I even took a pair of
>carbs off my 300G convert, which does NOT pop when making any kind of turn
>at any speed. I even roadtested my "G" convert. before removing the carbs
>and made many turns at varying speeds before determining that it does not,
>ever, pop back thru the carbs.
>
>The result of all this carb swapping has left me completely mystified. The
>sick car still pops thru the carbs when making a left. Even pops through
>the
>carbs from my 300G convert, which I know are good. This is a dangerous
>situation as it can pop / backfire thru the carbs so hard at times that it
>will stall ! The popping mostly occurs when giving a little throttle while
>going through the turn - as one would normally drive.
>
>The car runs PEFECTLY otherwise. Good idle. Plenty of power. No
>accelerator
>pump lag. Runs like a dream at any speed - except when making a left turn
>
>I have taken off the rams, reinstalled with new intake gasket. No
>difference. This feels like a fuel problem, and not electrical. I have
>checked all the wiring, and indeed all the connections to distributor,
>coil,
>etc.
>
>Help. I don't know where to go from here.
>
>John
>
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:28:30 -0700
From: "Richard Rowlands" <rrowlands@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Formal Black 1961 Chrysler 300 For Sale
I have a very original Formal Black 1961 Chrysler 300 G Coupe for sale. The car spent its life in Southern California and I am the third owner. I bought it with the intention of restoring it and have decided to let it go in order to concentrate on other projects. This is an excellent candidate for restoration since it luckily hasn't been messed with. There is very minimal rust in the rockers, but none in the trunk or floors. The original paint is worn through in spots and there are some dings here and there, but nothing major. The interior is a little tired but looks very presentable.
There are pictures on my web site at:
http://www.mopar-collection.com/1961_chrysler_300-G_for_sale.htm
I did a few things to freshen it up and begin the restoration which include: Powder coating all five original rims (satin black), then mounted five new Goodyear Deluxe Super Cushion wide white wall tires, installed NOS Mopar tail light lenses, new reproduction park light lenses and all new 300 medallions (grill, trunk, sides, wheel covers). I also just had the original clear steering wheel restored.
Although the car needs restoration, it runs and drives nice at the moment.
The car is currently located in north western Arizona and can be shown in Laughlin or Las Vegas Nevada if that's more convenient.
Please email with any questions.
Regards,
Richard..
richro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:33:56 EDT
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
Subject: Fwd: Fw: 300 C Noise
Larry W Jett
950 Woodside Road Suite 4
Redwood City CA 94061
650 368 3966
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:21:55 +1200
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Fw: 300 C Noise
Joe
Check your power steering and generator belts,sound like they could be
loose.
Owen
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From: Wayne Graefen <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Intl 300 <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:10 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Fw: 300 C Noise
> Joe McCormick is having trouble posting to the listserver so I am posting
this for him.
> Reply to the list or directly to Joe at ejmc300c@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Thanks.
> Wayne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe McCormick <ejmc300c@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:59 PM
> Subject: 300 c noise
>
>
> Hi,
> This is the first time I have asked a question and it's a puzzler.
> My 300 C has developed a loud ( very loud ) squeeling noise,
> it seems to be from the front, but it's so loud it's hard to tell.
> When the car is cold, no noise. You drive for 2 to 3 miles
> and it starts out as an intermittent chirp then turns loud in
> about another mile. Here's what I have done.
> 1. new front wheel bearings
> 2. front brake linings look good
> 3. backed off front brake adjusters
> Nothing seems to help. It seems to get worse if I accelerate
> or turn the steering wheel to the left.
> Any ideas would be appreciated !!!!!!
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions...
> Joe..
>
>
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>
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:22:14 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: popping - suggestions
Hi and thanks to all for your e-mails and suggestions. To summarize, here's
what members suggested:
-cracked intake
-hooking up timing light to coil wire while driving to see whether losing
secondary ignition
-power steering problem
-disturbing some hose or wire while turning
-distributor problem - loose wire?
-excess fuel in the rams due to internal blockage
-carbon debris blocking intake valve
-two spark plug wire arcing
-bad plug wires
-cracked head
-fuel starvation or too much fuel psi
-vacuum leak
-something loose in distributor
-all cinammon "300G"'s pop.
-curse of the left-handed gypsy woman
Thank you all for your suggestions. Too many of them to answer individually,
so please settle for a collective THANK YOU ! Now it is time for me to
continue the diagnosis. I will keep you all posted as to results. That is,
if I don't light a match to the car first...
John
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:22:23 -0400
From: "Dan Selhorst" <selhorst1@xxxxxx>
Subject: Popping
John
One more late suggestion.Have you tried a coil.I remember years back Chrysler had a problem with slant six cars experiencing this problem.It had something to do with the oil filled coil shorting on turns. I believe there was a factory bulletin on this.
I had one in our shop and swore up and down it was a fuel problem until I found the bulletin. A new coil fixed it.
Good luck. Dan Selhorst
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:28:30 -0500
From: paulholm <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Popping
Dan Selhorst wrote:
>
> John
> One more late suggestion.Have you tried a coil.I remember years back Chrysler had a problem with slant six cars experiencing this problem.It had something to do with the oil filled coil shorting on turns. I believe there was a factory bulletin on this.
> I had one in our shop and swore up and down it was a fuel problem until I found the bulletin. A new coil fixed it.
> Good luck. Dan Selhorst
BET we have a winner here???
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:35:28 -0700
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: I've Got it John
Its in your directional signal switch. When you flip it left, it
shorts you wire harness.
Gary Barker
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:04:39 EDT
From: jlsavard@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: popping reply to all
In a message dated 9/24/02 3:46:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> cause the needle/seat to close a little slower and allow the
> bowls to fill up higher?
I'm scratching my head about this one, too, but don't think it would be a
matter of too much fuel. Generally, popping back through the carburetors is
a matter of leanness, timing being off, or a bad intake valve allowing the
normal combustion process to fire jets of flame back into the intake
manifold.
Since more than one set of carburetors have been used, it kind of eliminates
anything like float levels or such. I'm thinking more along the lines of
leanness or such. Is there a possibility of one of the large diameter vacuum
lines having a crack that opens up from centrifigal force during a turn? I
had a car with a cracked flexible fuel line that ran wonderfully all the time
except when you gave hard throttle away from a light. It'd get up to about
35 mph and die. If I kept my foot on the gas it'd start to run strong again
and then pass out, repeating the cycle over and over again. It was the
torque from the engine tipping that opened and closed the leak. Took about a
week to figure that one out!
This is just more grist for the mill... and I am sure you'll let us all know
what was the problem. Good Luck!
Joe Savard
Lake Orion, MI
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:57:55 -0700 (MST)
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fw: 300 C Noise
heres another left turn problem for the list to solve.....
JEFF
tucson az.
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:29:47 -0400
From: "Park Waldrop" <pwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: popping
John,
Sure sounds like ignition cross-firing or ''extra-firing'' to me. Obviously
the question is, what could be getting moved a little on the left turns that
would cause it. Sounds like you've looked at the plug wires already. I'd
check the distributor internals very carefully to see that nothing is awry
there, like the wire to the points having a bare spot that's touching n(then
un-touching!) the distributor housing, etc.
Good luck, and tell us all what it was when you do find it.
Park Waldrop
Atlanta
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