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There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. about torsion bars
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: about torsion bars
From: RONVE@xxxxxxx
3. Re: IML: about (torsion bars) speed bumps
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Rhode Island
From: "Moana & Gerry Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: Re: IML: about (torsion bars) speed bumps
From: "ryan hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Torsion Bars - reply
From: "ryan hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Torsion Bars - Reply
From: "ryan hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
8. My appologies for the duplications - My mail keeps getting kicked back.
From: "ryan hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: Re: IML: about (torsion bars) speed bumps
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
10. Fw: 300 question
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. (no subject)
From: MJMLandDev@xxxxxxx
12. Death in the 300 Family
From: "Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:25:18 +0200
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: about torsion bars
Hi,
I wonder what could happen if the torsion bars are tightened more
than factory setting, i.e to compensate too low front height
(smaller tires than original). Possibility of breakage ? Lack of
driveability (and comfort..) ?
I ask this question because my car has radial WWW tires (225-75 x
14) and they have 2" less height than original bias 9.50 x 14.
So the car is 1" lower than original and i sufferd from some
problems when i run on "slowdown buildings" (don't know the exact
word and don't know if you have these things in USA: it's a
cemented round obstacle through the road, 4 to 6 inch height, so
you have to slow down the car to 10 to 20 mph if you want to
cross it without a big jump !). These obstacle are common in
every small towns in France, because drivers cross these towns at
too high speed.
Problem for my Imperial is that it has a longer wheelbase than
european cars ! When the front wheels go down this damned *^"!°
(not all, because majority are enough long) the rear wheels
haven't began to climb the beginning so the middle of the car
(exhausts..) scrapes the cement. I don't have the problem with
the '58 Bui*k, it is higher than the Imperial.
I know also that all the fellows who have Corv*"te, Trans'*m,
Cama"%o etc have still more problems than me: they must cross
the obstacle crosswise ! And even the modern cars which have
spoilers...
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Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)
Imperial 57 Crown convertible
Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
- Chrysler Imperial France : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " :
http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:36:29 EDT
From: RONVE@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: about torsion bars
In a message dated 5/17/2002 12:26:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> Hi,
> I wonder what could happen if the torsion bars are tightened more
> than factory setting, i.e to compensate too low front height
> (smaller tires than original). Possibility of breakage ? Lack of
> driveability (and comfort..) ?
> I ask this question because my car has radial WWW tires (225-75 x
> 14) and they have 2" less height than original bias 9.50 x 14.
> So the car is 1" lower than original and i sufferd from some
> problems when i run on "slowdown buildings" (don't know the exact
> word and don't know if you have these things in USA: it's a
> cemented round obstacle through the road, 4 to 6 inch height, so
> you have to slow down the car to 10 to 20 mph if you want to
> cross it without a big jump !). These obstacle are common in
> every small towns in France, because drivers cross these towns at
> too high speed.
> Problem for my Imperial is that it has a longer wheelbase than
> european cars ! When the front wheels go down this damned *^"!°
> (not all, because majority are enough long) the rear wheels
> haven't began to climb the beginning so the middle of the car
> (exhausts..) scrapes the cement. I don't have the problem with
> the '58 Bui*k, it is higher than the Imperial.
> I know also that all the fellows who have Corv*"te, Trans'*m,
> Cama"%o etc have still more problems than me: they must cross
> the obstacle crosswise ! And even the modern cars which have
> spoilers...
>
> --
> Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)
> Imperial 57 Crown convertible
> Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
>
Phillipe,
I think those are what we Americans refer to as 'speed bumps', anyway ....
My experience has been no problems when jacking up the front end of a 300 via
the torsion bars. Your vehicle will appear to going uphill all the time ...
and you will get less gas mileage (just joking here Phil).
The car will ride a little more firmly with a 1 inch increase in the height,
but will handle about the same. I am not sure what this will do to front end
alignment, maybe some others can comment on that!
The biggest factor you have to contend with, IMHO, is appearance!
Ron...
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:23:11 +0200
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: IML: about (torsion bars) speed bumps
Hi,
Thanks to all, i know now that "slowdown building" are called
"speed bumps" (but also as in France "sleeping policemen"....)
Difference is the size ! In France we've short speed bumps (4 to
6 inches height and 8 to 10 inches widht) but also long speed
bumps: same height but the widht goes from 6 feet to 10 or more.
The problem comes from those which are 6 to 8 feet :You have the
front wheels ahead the bump and the rear wheels backward. Imagine
where is the center of the car if the speed bump is too high
(some of them are higher than 6 inches ...) and not enough long
!!
My car has radial WWW Coker tires 225/75/14. Overall diameter is
around 27.6 inch. Original 9.50 x 14 have an overall diameter of
31 " .... the car is too low in front, not in rear; need perhaps
KYB shocks in front (mine came from Kant...r, not made in USA..)
--
Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)
Imperial 57 Crown convertible
Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
- Chrysler Imperial France : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " :
http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:05:55 -0700
From: "Moana & Gerry Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Rhode Island
What a wonderful Meet that was! A most impressive show of all the letter cars plus 3 Hursts was much more than we could have imagined. Great pictures posted by John, Bob and Don attest to this fact. Many thanks to Don Verity for the fun activities including the casino just across the street and tours of the beauty (and junk yards) of Newport. Coming from Arizona, we naturally enjoyed the weather - clouds, rain, and chill. But, Don, you must have some big credits on hand to have made the day of the show so ideal. Couldn't have asked for a more perfect and picturesque setting. It was so nice to see many old friends and meeting new ones. Thank you all for your warm hospitality at our first Meet.
Moana and Gerry Steinberg
Arizona
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:20:01 -0700
From: "ryan hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: IML: about (torsion bars) speed bumps
Just a comment with regards to torsion bar tension. As you tighten or loosen
the torsion bar your are only applying the load of the cars unsprung weight
to the torsion bar. As soon as the weight of the car is off the snubbers the
torsion bar is carrying that weight and the tension does not change while
the car is at rest. As you turn the adjuster screw in all you are doing is
lifting the car and gaining clearance.(The tension does not change because
it's still only the weight of the car that is loading it up)
The torsion bar is just a spring that twists (hence torsion) so the only
time you increase the tension of the the spring would be if you increase the
weight of the car or bounce the car while driving.(over speed bumps) If you
raise the car height and allow the car more suspension travel you will load
the torsion bar more than intended. If you are worried about a failure,
simply raise your lower snubbers or install longer ones to restrict the
travel. (ie - if you crank the car up an inch......raise your snubber the
same)
The only way to stiffen the suspension, as with any type of spring, is to
replace the torsion bars with stiffer ones. Hope that helps.
Anyone see any flaws in my theory? Seems logical to me.
Hope everyone is having a great day. Ryan Hill
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:25:15 -0700
From: "ryan hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Torsion Bars - reply
Just a comment with regards to torsion bar tension. As you
tighten or loosen
the torsion bar your are only applying the load of the cars
unsprung weight
to the torsion bar. As soon as the weight of the car is off the
snubbers the
torsion bar is carrying that weight and the tension does not
change while
the car is at rest. As you turn the adjuster screw in all you
are doing is
lifting the car and gaining clearance.(The tension does not
change because
it's still only the weight of the car that is loading it up)
The torsion bar is just a spring that twists (hence torsion) so
the only
time you increase the tension of the the spring would be if you
increase the
weight of the car or bounce the car while driving.(over speed
bumps) If you
raise the car height and allow the car more suspension travel
you will load
the torsion bar more than intended. If you are worried about a
failure,
simply raise your lower snubbers or install longer ones to
restrict the
travel. (ie - if you crank the car up an inch......raise your
snubber the
same)
The only way to stiffen the suspension, as with any type of
spring, is to
replace the torsion bars with stiffer ones. Hope that helps.
Anyone see any flaws in my theory? Seems logical to me.
Hope everyone is having a great day. Ryan Hill
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:28:56 -0700
From: "ryan hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Torsion Bars - Reply
Just a comment with regards to torsion bar tension. As you
tighten or loosen
the torsion bar your are only applying the load of the cars
unsprung weight
to the torsion bar. As soon as the weight of the car is off the
snubbers the
torsion bar is carrying that weight and the tension does not
change while
the car is at rest. As you turn the adjuster screw in all you
are doing is
lifting the car and gaining clearance.(The tension does not
change because
it's still only the weight of the car that is loading it up)
The torsion bar is just a spring that twists (hence torsion) so
the only
time you increase the tension of the the spring would be if you
increase the
weight of the car or bounce the car while driving.(over speed
bumps) If you
raise the car height and allow the car more suspension travel
you will load
the torsion bar more than intended. If you are worried about a
failure,
simply raise your lower snubbers or install longer ones to
restrict the
travel. (ie - if you crank the car up an inch......raise your
snubber the
same)
The only way to stiffen the suspension, as with any type of
spring, is to
replace the torsion bars with stiffer ones. Hope that helps.
Anyone see any flaws in my theory? Seems logical to me.
Hope everyone is having a great day. Ryan Hill
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:41:23 -0700
From: "ryan hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: My appologies for the duplications - My mail keeps getting kicked back.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:13:39 -0400
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: IML: about (torsion bars) speed bumps
Hi Philippe,
Turning up the bars will increase your clearance, but it will effect the
alignment. The specs are given at a specific height, and any change from
that will effect the alignment. You should be OK raising the height, as long
as you can still align the front end to specifications. I've never seen
those big speed bumps around here, but I know just what you are talking
about. The little ones are bad enough!
300ly,
Don
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From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Cc: Fwdlk <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Chrysler 300 Yahoo List Server
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Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Re: IML: about (torsion bars) speed bumps
> Hi,
> Thanks to all, i know now that "slowdown building" are called
> "speed bumps" (but also as in France "sleeping policemen"....)
> Difference is the size ! In France we've short speed bumps (4 to
> 6 inches height and 8 to 10 inches widht) but also long speed
> bumps: same height but the widht goes from 6 feet to 10 or more.
> The problem comes from those which are 6 to 8 feet :You have the
> front wheels ahead the bump and the rear wheels backward. Imagine
> where is the center of the car if the speed bump is too high
> (some of them are higher than 6 inches ...) and not enough long
> !!
> My car has radial WWW Coker tires 225/75/14. Overall diameter is
> around 27.6 inch. Original 9.50 x 14 have an overall diameter of
> 31 " .... the car is too low in front, not in rear; need perhaps
> KYB shocks in front (mine came from Kant...r, not made in USA..)
>
>
> --
> Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)
> Imperial 57 Crown convertible
> Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
>
> - American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
>
> - Chrysler Imperial France : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
>
> - Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " :
> http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
>
> - SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
>
>
>
>
> To send a message to this group, send an email to:
> Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 07:22:16 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: 300 question
Forwarding to listserver on behalf of Gary Holm...please reply to him
directly if you can help !
John
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From: "Gary Holm" <gholm@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "John Hertog" <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:28 AM
Subject: 300 question
> John
> I need the stainless molding strip on front door for 61 300.
> The Long one, 43x 3/4". Do you have one or know where I can get one?
>
> Gary Holm
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:31:30 EDT
From: MJMLandDev@xxxxxxx
Subject: (no subject)
Has anyone seen the WPC News for April 2002? My H is listed on page 18.
Mike Meyer
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 10:24:08 -0400
From: "Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Death in the 300 Family
Club member Walter (Wally) Swift passed away suddenly during an auto cross race on March 10, 2002. Among other Chrysler corporate duties, Wally was the former Chrysler Regional Executive for the Washington DC area. He had a 300B which he sold some years ago. He raced Sunbeam Alpine Tigers in autocross racing and won first place for 20 straight years. As a result, race officials presented him the trophy, emeritus, permanently. His wife, Helen, said that he died happy doing what he loved best.
He owned Cordoba's, Mirada's and 300's among other MoPar models. Wally enjoyed telling the story of having a race 300F with the pont-a-mousson four speed transmission. He had to turn it back in to Chrysler because his wife couldn't hold the clutch in and backing down the driveway one day, the F "got loose" and banged into a dirt bank in the neighbor's yard.
He maintained an extensive collection of MoPar model cars in his basement "museum". The collection must be one of the best in the country. It even has turn tables and lights to feature the car of the month!
Over one hundred people from all over the United States attended his funeral. His trailered Tiger was the procession's flower vehicle.
Wally knew everybody. He was Mr. Mopar in the Washington DC area.
He was quite a gentleman and he will be missed by all who had the pleasure of knowing him.
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