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There are 9 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. strange problem on a '57 Torqueflite
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. an interesting find
From: "Louis M. Barrie" <lmbarrie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. web article
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: Digest Number 130
From: jtabo@xxxxxxx
5. 300E trunk medallion on eBay
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: IML: strange problem on a '57 Torqueflite (2)
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. VIN-List???
From: Johan Andersson <JOHAN.300@xxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: VIN-List???
From: "Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
9. New E-Mail Address
From: "Val Jeffers" <valj48@xxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:32:53 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: strange problem on a '57 Torqueflite
My guess would be the problem is a leak in the heat exchanger in the
bottom
of the radiator. When warmed up, there is greater pressure in the
radiator
than there is in the coolant lines and exchanger so the radiator solution
enters the exchanger but trans fluid does not enter the radiator. The
antifreeze will strip the material off of the transmission clutches and
this
may have already occurred because of what you are seeing in the filter.
I had the above happen in the black low mileage 300C convertible that
appears in the 300 video. In that case it was acids in the radiator and
lack of use over 18 years of storage.
Wayne
Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:34:47 -0800
From: "Louis M. Barrie" <lmbarrie@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: an interesting find
We have an interesting discovery - an original dealer sales kit was found
behind the trunk. It is a hard shelled gray cardboard box that velcros in
the middle as the sides open and pivot outwards. Inside are flip charts
that
are spiral bound and have the 1960 product line specifications along with
options, color samples which are arranged so that you can see two-tone
combinations. We have never seen one before and are very excited! Anyone
have an idea how rare it is?
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:14:47 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: web article
Nice '57 Chrysler 300C color ad headlining an article about the Chrysler
museum.
http://detnews.com/joyrides/2002/chryslermuseumads/
Good reading and I commend it to y'all.
Wayne
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:04:07 EST
From: jtabo@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Digest Number 130
In a message dated 01/03/2002 12:39:50 AM Mountain Standard Time,
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
<< Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:50:17 -0500
From: Frank_MacInnis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: 300F dash lights/exhaust
Happy New Year All. My dash lights are out. Is there a test other than
checking fuses (which are ok) or is it easier just to go ahead with a
rebuilt power pack? Any comments on the power pack service advertised in
the newsletter?
While I'm at it, has anyone used the exhaust systems advertised in the
letter? Suggestions for mufflers? Are the systems the same for converts
as for hardtops? Best regards- - Frank MacInnis >>
Hi Frank,
The repro exhaust from Eileen Brass is quite good, though it took
some
tweeking, by bending after heating with a torch, to get it just right.
J.C.
Whitneys Turbo Muffler 07HV2791N is what was recommended to me by George
Riehl. I'm no expert on how close it is to the original but it works,
fits,
sound and looks great.
300ly,
John Roth
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:24:45 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300E trunk medallion on eBay
Hi to all,
While I don't really like encouraging ebay sales by posting links to
ongoing
eBay auctions thru this listserver, I feel that this part ( 1959 300E
trunk
medallion, NOS ) might be important enough to someone with a 300E to make
an exception..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=60029361
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On another note : I will be away from this coming Sunday ( 1 /13) to the
following Sunday ( 1/20) and would really appreciate if members of this
list
could refrain from sending me unnecessary e-mails during that period of
time, lest my server become overwhelmed ! Please take me off your spam
list
( jokes, etc.. ) during all of next week ! ( blessed week with NO
COMPUTER
! )
Thanks
John
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:03:41 +0100
From: Philippe COURANT <accf_clb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: IML: strange problem on a '57 Torqueflite (2)
Hi all
Thanks for all your answers ! Before overhauling the trans. i'll
try to answer to some of your assertions:
- You're right in assuming the clutches are the problem;they are
seized together hence the drive in Neutral
- One of the clutch packs does not release
a) water has valve body stuck
b) water has swelled frictions or rusted steels locking
clutch
I think it's the answer of the problem, according to the FSM
trans. chart (about clutches pack: front clutches applied in all
fwd range / rear clutches applied in R and D / No clutches in N).
When the trans. is in N, D, 1 or 2, the car goes forward but
ther's no upshift. Whichever the selected gear, the car runs at
the same speed (and engine rev. at same rpm). I don't know if
it's the 1st, 2 nd or direct drive. I haven't droven the car very
far (no R ..).
- If the car Locks up when put in reverse that means a clutch is
not disengaging. Does it feel and sound like it goes into gear?
yes, the car is locked when the trans. is in R. Seems logical if
front clutches remains apllied. We can't push or pull the car
with engine running . To push rearward the car we must stop the
engine .. In R , engine revs free but trans. is locked !
- If you have water in the transmission oil it will turn into a
pink milkshake. That is to say it looks white and cannot see
through it
Difficult to describe the color of the fluid ! Itsn't pink, it is
completly unclear with a color between "rust" and "light
chocolate". 2 or 3 persons who were in the shop agree that there
is water in the fluid. We find some "cream" muds on valve body,
cable housing etc..
- My guess would be the problem is a leak in the heat exchanger
in the bottom of the radiator. When warmed up, there is greater
pressure in the radiator than there is in the coolant lines and
exchanger so the radiator solution enters the exchanger but trans
fluid does not enter the radiator.
i'll take the radiator to a radiator shop to check it. The theory
sounds good but when the engine is stop, does the trans.fluid
couldn't contaminate the coolant ? And if ther's a leak in the
exchanger, the trans. fluid would be higher than normal. On the
car the trans. fluid is a the correct mark.
- A word of advice, if you don't have all the special tools
necessary to do the job properly yourself,save yourself the
heartache of pulling it out again later by having it done by a
professional now and getting a warranty/guarantee with the job!
I have rebuilt 10 Torqueflite (this was the # 2) with no problems
(i have made the special tool for the overunning clutch) except
bad stuff (clutches) from K....R !
In France ther's at last 2 or 3 trans. shops: very expensive
(from 1000 to 3000 $ ..)
And thanks to all who say Good Luck !!
--
Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)
Imperial 57 Crown convertible
Buick 58 Roadmaster sedan
- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
- Chrysler Imperial France : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " :
http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:51:07 +0100
From: Johan Andersson <JOHAN.300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: VIN-List???
Hello list.
There is a red G-conv. out on Ebay. It says in the ad that it is a
converted coupe,
and in our VIN-list it is a black convertible. Is our VIN list based on
what
the owners say or what the micro-films say? Can I trust the VIN list
when I
want to check up a car or must I talk to Gil to be sure on a car?
The VIN on the red car is 201800.
Best regards..... Johan (Sweden)
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:43:03 -0500
From: "Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: VIN-List???
An old saying says it well -- Buyer Beware. In other words, one should
ask
around before paying a lot of money for a 300, especially "re-bodied".
So,
yes, call Gil !!
VIN list information as well as microfilm data can only be researched on
the
VIN as given. We must rely on the honesty and knowledge of previous car
history by the current owner.
It is often impossible to know or discover the provenance of a 300. If
the
current or a previous owner has replaced the original VIN plate with that
of
another 300, we have no way verifying this information.
So please, if you are looking to buy a high priced 300, and especially if
that 300 has been or is being sold at auction, is a convertible (usually
red), check it out first! Normally (and sadly, I personally feel) a red
300
convertible's selling price is much greater than a white 300 coupe and
therefore the most likely to be "rebodied or converted" or whatever you
may
wish to call it.
Gloria Moon
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:00:56 -0500
From: "Val Jeffers" <valj48@xxxxxxx>
Subject: New E-Mail Address
Please change to: edward1108@xxxxxxxxx effective now.
Thanks,
Val Jeffers
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