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There are 19 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Coker 235/75R14 Radial Availability
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
2. Re: Coker 235/75R14 Radial Availability
From: Anthony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
3. About these tires
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. 300 Club Inc. - PALM SPRINGS MEET, OCT. 6
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: About these tires
From: Anthony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
6. Sending Unit Gasket
From: Sean Ellis <slim724@xxxxxxxxx>
7. 59 300-E parts FS
From: "The Holmgren's" <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
8. Thanks for the response
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. response to response
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: response to response
From: Anthony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
11. 300K- The Forgotten Letter Car?
From: "Kelly Pierce" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: 300K- The Forgotten Letter Car?
From: Russ Vaughan <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: 300K- The Forgotten Letter Car?
From: "RON KURTZ" <Mark268@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. RE: 300K- The Forgotten Letter Car?
From: "JONES,DOUG (A-USA,ex3)" <doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx>
15. Tie Thong
From: "Jess" <jdmiklas@xxxxxxx>
16. Bowers e-mail?
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
17. reply re: recognized cars
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
18. The forgotten K
From: "Timothy Tomlinson" <tomlin@xxxxxxxxx>
19. Virginia Chrysler Classic
From: Randolph Harrison <rharrison.mopar@xxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:56:41 -0500
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Coker 235/75R14 Radial Availability
Will this be the correct width for 57-60?
Dave Schwandt
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From: "Anthony Rinaldi" <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Chrysler 300 Club" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:26 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Coker 235/75R14 Radial Availability
> Hi to all,
>
> Tire availability will be Feb/Mar 2002. Guess we can count on them for
> Spring.
>
> Wide white wall will be 2.5". They also are making another tire with a 1"
WW
> for 70's cars.
>
> 300'ly
> Tony
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:30:36 -0400
From: Anthony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Coker 235/75R14 Radial Availability
To quote Jack Wiltse:
"Have them build 3/4 of the tires with 2 1/2", because
there are more C's and the rest with 2 1/4" for the D's. If they look right
who cares about dimensions?"
Obviously Coker went with the 3/4 majority.
The real answer to your question is close enough!
Tony
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 08:56:41 -0500
To: "Chrysler 300 Club" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Anthony Rinaldi"
<awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Coker 235/75R14 Radial Availability
Will this be the correct width for 57-60?
Dave Schwandt
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From: "Anthony Rinaldi" <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Chrysler 300 Club" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 10:26 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Coker 235/75R14 Radial Availability
> Hi to all,
>
> Tire availability will be Feb/Mar 2002. Guess we can count on them for
> Spring.
>
> Wide white wall will be 2.5". They also are making another tire with a 1"
WW
> for 70's cars.
>
> 300'ly
> Tony
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Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 8:17:24 -0700
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: About these tires
Are these tires speed rated. I drive my F sort of fast .When I get
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:38:16 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300 Club Inc. - PALM SPRINGS MEET, OCT. 6
Passing on this meet information from our friends in the Chrysler 300 Club
Inc. !
John
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From: "Gerry and Moana Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: PALM SPRINGS MEET, OCT. 6
> Greetings 300 and Mopar Enthusiasts!
>
> Palm Springs awaits our arrival! So far, the weather in this sunbelt
country may still be hot. You'll probably hear about a hurricane brewing
off the coast of Baja in the next few days. However, it should be out of
the southwest area by the time we get there. Hopefully it'll bring in a
cooling trend.
>
> You'll enjoy the very pleasant Holiday Inn Express, 74-675 Hwy 111, Palm
Desert, Phone 760-340-4303 with lush lawns, flowers beds, large heated pool
and spa, tennis courts and gym. All rooms have private balconies or patios,
coffee makers, hair dryers and iron/ironing board. (Close to lots of
shopping, Ladies!)
>
> It'll be a very casual weekend so come prepared for warmth in the fun and
friendship department. Check the activity board in the lobby for a daily
itinerary. The day of the show will be quite rewarding starting with a tour
to unique PondeRose and the Pond Estate Automobile Collection of 100 cars
before proceeding to the Palm Springs Air Museum for the car show. After
judging, the awards will take place at the show followed by dinner in
downtown Palm Springs where you can stroll the avenue lined with shops,
bistros, boutiques, pubs, etc.
>
> DRIVING DIRECTIONS On your arrival day driving to the hotel, best
offramp is Cook off of I-10. If you're driving in from the west (Los
Angeles/Orange County, etc) we don't recommend you take the Palm Springs
offramp*. Instead, continue east past Cathedral City, Palm Desert
(Monterey Ave.) and off on Cook. South (to Palm Desert Resorts) on Cook to
Hwy 111, turn right and the hotel is on left side of the highway, so get in
the left lane ASAP. (If you're coming in from the east, it's I-10 to Cook
as above.)
>
> *(If you choose to take the Palm Springs/Palm Canyon offramp, besides the
busy downtown area congestion there is quite a bit of road construction and
lane closures especially through Cathedral City, Rancho Mirage and Palm
Desert.)
>
> We plan to leave for Palm Springs next week Tuesday, October 2
(Steinbergs) and Thursday Oct 4 (Smiths)...see below. If you have any
questions please e-mail or phone us by then.
>
> See you there - with or without fins - and get ready for good ole American
fun, relaxation, friendship and a whole lotta car talk!
>
> Moana and Gerry Steinberg (Leaving Tue)
> E-mail mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Phone 520-378-2991
> Fax 520-803-0300
> From Tue evening in Palm Springs, phone (760) 322-3499
>
> Ken and Cele Smith (Leaving Thur)
> E-mail kensbrutes1@xxxxxxxx
> Phone 520-378-3000
>
> P.S. If you know anyone who wants to join us, we were able to extend the
hotel reservations deadline until this Friday, Sept. 28. Call (760)
340-4303 Option #1 and ask for Group Code "CHR" to receive this special
group discount. (Mention that you're part of the Chrysler 300 Group.)
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:36:21 -0400
From: Anthony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: About these tires
Hi Jim,
All Coker tires seem to be rated as "P" (sustained 93 mph for 24 hours).
They supply tires for 'vettes and muscle cars etc. No one will commit to
ratings for burst speeds above 93 mph for liability purposes.
If you require higher speed rated tires, you should convert to 15" tires and
forgo the WWW. This is the only diameter wheel where tires are available in
higher speed rated tires with narrow or no white wall.
Keep your hammer down Amigo!
Tony
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 8:17:24 -0700
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Chrysler300] About these tires
Are these tires speed rated. I drive my F sort of fast .When I get
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:07:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sean Ellis <slim724@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Sending Unit Gasket
Need to replace the sending unit gasket on my 64
C-body. Do you have to remove the tank to replace the
gasket or can you get away with doing it while the car
raised??
Thanks,
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64 "K"
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:55:37 -0500
From: "The Holmgren's" <paulholm@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: 59 300-E parts FS
I ended up with the 3 instrument pods from a 59 300-E dash,
150mph speedo, clock, and gauges, Not in the greatest
shape BUT they are "saved"
Anyone interested in them for $250.oo??
and I'll pay the freight in the USA.
--
Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 16:34:46 -0700
From: " Jim McMullan" <macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Thanks for the response
HI Club. Ill be going with the 15 in. wheals as am planning on disk breaks
. Some ware in a box someplace I have a set Imperial disks and 4 piston calipers
off a 61. After seeing the disk conversion on the web am rethinking! Also
am impressed with the hubcap conversion .The calipers seam a little small. What
kind of purporting valve was used? Are there still drums on the rear? Theirs
been a lot of chatter about cams on the sight lately .When I rebuilt my F
in the late 1970 there were 4 cams available from MOPAR (the factory
warehouse was just down the street in Burlingame C.A.) 2 hydraulic and 2
solid tappet.I went with the stage 2 hyd. Seams it developed max torque at about
3200 instead of 2800 .The specks around hear someplace but I am in the process
of moving and the library is a mess.When you nailed it at 80M.P.H it would pin
you to the seat until about 120 M.P.H and then keep pilling to 146( which is as
fast as I ever took it ) Kept running out of road or coming up on
traffic .Remember we had 100 plus fuel at the time UNION 76 was about 108
to 112. And John the Hammer Handle is a long story and I just type with one
finger and have to look up .Jim
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:32:11 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: response to response
Hi Jim,
Considering your driving habits, V-rated tires and disc brakes might be the
only way to keep both you and the car alive... Dan Reitz will no doubt fill
you in on whatever details of the conversion to discs he performed on his
300F. I drove his car recently and the improvement over the stock drum
brakes was awesome. Since then, Dan's upgraded his 300F to a dual master
cylinder setup - see the new article in the Tech section of the Web site.
Within this Club, there's "show cars" and "drivers" and everything in
between. A very few of us still like to have fun with our 300's, by driving
them fast and hard. I tend to fall in this category, and like to upgrade my
cars so that they'll be safe at high speeds . Better for me, the car, and
even others on the public highways.
You might want to check out AAJ's bolt-on disc brake conversion . Contact
Roger Thomason at aajbrakes@xxxxxxxxxxx ; he used to have a Web site but I
just tried it to no avail. I do believe Matt and Jennie Allyn have installed
an AAJ setup on their 62 wagon with good results.
Now - can we have the "macthehammer" story ? One finger at a time OK...
John
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:31:21 -0400
From: Anthony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: response to response
AAJ's new web site URL if:
http://www.geocities.com/aajbrakes/
Tony
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:32:11 -0400
To: macthehammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Chrysler300] response to response
Hi Jim,
Considering your driving habits, V-rated tires and disc brakes might be the
only way to keep both you and the car alive... Dan Reitz will no doubt fill
you in on whatever details of the conversion to discs he performed on his
300F. I drove his car recently and the improvement over the stock drum
brakes was awesome. Since then, Dan's upgraded his 300F to a dual master
cylinder setup - see the new article in the Tech section of the Web site.
Within this Club, there's "show cars" and "drivers" and everything in
between. A very few of us still like to have fun with our 300's, by driving
them fast and hard. I tend to fall in this category, and like to upgrade my
cars so that they'll be safe at high speeds . Better for me, the car, and
even others on the public highways.
You might want to check out AAJ's bolt-on disc brake conversion . Contact
Roger Thomason at aajbrakes@xxxxxxxxxxx ; he used to have a Web site but I
just tried it to no avail. I do believe Matt and Jennie Allyn have installed
an AAJ setup on their 62 wagon with good results.
Now - can we have the "macthehammer" story ? One finger at a time OK...
John
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:32:10 -0600
From: "Kelly Pierce" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300K- The Forgotten Letter Car?
I have been a club member since 1983 when I finally managed to buy a letter car. Since that time I have watched as the club has gone with quite a few projects- all seem to be for the earlier letter cars, 62 H seems to be the cut-off year. I realize some consider the K to be a weak sister in comparison to the earlier cars due to Chrysler making many standard equipment items options on the K as a way to boost sales- which they did. But with the larger numbers of the K why is it and its owners ignored in the projects for reproduction parts projects? A few items come to mind- The chrome trim between the tail lights, sill plates and wheel cover centers. Even with the availability of parts from non-letter 300's , New Yorker etc. these parts sources are rapidly drying up, as even these cars are now 37 years young. Even here in Montana where there are yards that don't crush the older cars the parts are drying up.
I have not been able to attend a meet due to a number of factors, Finances being the primary difficulty. I have finally got the K HT Painted, Bumpers re-chromed etc. Next up is replacing the leather and carpeting. All this is done on a slim budget that comes from working in Law Enforcement- A career I love but you will never get rich doing it! One of our goals is to drive our K to a national meet, to see in the flesh(Sheet metal) the letter cars you just don't see any other way, to meet so many people in the club that I feel I know but have never met and Learn alot about the cars.
Anyone out there care to tackle this question/ comment?
Joe Pierce jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:01:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Russ Vaughan <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300K- The Forgotten Letter Car?
Hi Kelly & Joe;
First, you're working for the wrong town!
Patrolmen in my town make up to six figure + incomes
with overtime. That's more than the Chief and Town
Manager, both about $80K. Second, with so little money
how do you outbid me so badly on eBay items??? :->
Seriously, I have been a club member slightly
longer than you (1982) and have yet to bring my "H" to
a meet. I bought it just over 11 years ago and
immediately got over my head. Thanks to the sale of
some real estate, I have recently invested a lot of
money in the car and see about 2 years to go. My dream
is to host a meet in my about to be home state, Maine
and have that be the premier outing of my letter car.
Now there's an invitation for you to cinch Long
Distance Award as our perpetual winner comes from
South Dakota!
To get to the nuts and bolts of your question the
answer in a word is NUMBERS. In my opinion due to the
styling being a mix of Engel and Exner inputs, the
result is controversial. That with the lowered level
of standard equipment ( no standard rams or leather in
particular)gives the "K" a value about 1/2 that of an
"H" or older in comparable condition. My '63 sport
cvt. has the same engine as a "K" (360/413) and the
same interior as a "J" sans tach and 150 mph speedo.
So there wasn't as much "special" about the "K". A
"K" shares very little with other year letter cars,
so almost everything made for a "K" would be only for
a "K". Many items for an "H" also fit the "F" and
"G". The seat project for instance, one design fit
three years with only a minor modification for the
center inserts on the "G". Seats for your car are
available through Legendary for not a lot. Gary Goers
has the F,G,H seats, but at close to $2000!
Relating to your example, I bet it would cost the
club way over $20,000 to just make the dies for the
chrome trim between the tail lights. To compare, dies
for plastic emblems are about $5,000 so even that
might be conservative. At that rate the club would
need about 100 members shelling out $500-$600 each for
the trim to break even. I don't think there are 100
members who own "K"'s that would do that. If you see a
treasurer' s report, it would also deplete club funds
to a level not seen since the '70's. It doesn't make
the project likely. Don't quote me on this, but I
think sill plates are in the works that will fit a "K"
along with others. Hubcap inserts, again only for the
non ram "K", $5,000 setup, how many does the club
sell? How much is the average owner willing to put
into a part for a car that is worth only so much? Not
that restoration of any of these cars is a profit
making venture! I'll bet if the "K" trim mentioned
above were for F,G, and H the club would have a hard
time selling the necessary amount to break even.
There is to be no rerun of "H" carpet because there
can't be enough demand based on the number of cars in
the club. Trust me, there are also many items owners
of older letter cars are asking for that have to be
justified based on numbers, so it's not only the "K".
A last thought. Even if I had to rent a car, I
would come to the meets. Don't wait for your "K" to be
finished. The meets are great, the people are
wonderful and once you go to one, you won't want to
miss any more!!
300ly
Russ Vaughan
--- Kelly Pierce <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I have been a club member since 1983 when I finally
> managed to buy a letter car. Since that time I have
> watched as the club has gone with quite a few
> projects- all seem to be for the earlier letter
> cars, 62 H seems to be the cut-off year. I realize
> some consider the K to be a weak sister in
> comparison to the earlier cars due to Chrysler
> making many standard equipment items options on the
> K as a way to boost sales- which they did. But with
> the larger numbers of the K why is it and its owners
> ignored in the projects for reproduction parts
> projects? A few items come to mind- The chrome trim
> between the tail lights, sill plates and wheel cover
> centers. Even with the availability of parts from
> non-letter 300's , New Yorker etc. these parts
> sources are rapidly drying up, as even these cars
> are now 37 years young. Even here in Montana where
> there are yards that don't crush the older cars the
> parts are drying up.
> I have not been able to attend a meet due to a
> number of factors, Finances being the primary
> difficulty. I have finally got the K HT Painted,
> Bumpers re-chromed etc. Next up is replacing the
> leather and carpeting. All this is done on a slim
> budget that comes from working in Law Enforcement- A
> career I love but you will never get rich doing it!
> One of our goals is to drive our K to a national
> meet, to see in the flesh(Sheet metal) the letter
> cars you just don't see any other way, to meet so
> many people in the club that I feel I know but have
> never met and Learn alot about the cars.
> Anyone out there care to tackle this question/
> comment?
>
> Joe Pierce jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:23:05 -0700
From: "RON KURTZ" <Mark268@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 300K- The Forgotten Letter Car?
Have you ever owned an E?
Ron Kurtz
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From: Kelly Pierce <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:32 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] 300K- The Forgotten Letter Car?
> I have been a club member since 1983 when I finally managed to buy a
letter car. Since that time I have watched as the club has gone with quite a
few projects- all seem to be for the earlier letter cars, 62 H seems to be
the cut-off year. I realize some consider the K to be a weak sister in
comparison to the earlier cars due to Chrysler making many standard
equipment items options on the K as a way to boost sales- which they did.
But with the larger numbers of the K why is it and its owners ignored in the
projects for reproduction parts projects? A few items come to mind- The
chrome trim between the tail lights, sill plates and wheel cover centers.
Even with the availability of parts from non-letter 300's , New Yorker etc.
these parts sources are rapidly drying up, as even these cars are now 37
years young. Even here in Montana where there are yards that don't crush the
older cars the parts are drying up.
> I have not been able to attend a meet due to a number of factors,
Finances being the primary difficulty. I have finally got the K HT Painted,
Bumpers re-chromed etc. Next up is replacing the leather and carpeting. All
this is done on a slim budget that comes from working in Law Enforcement- A
career I love but you will never get rich doing it! One of our goals is to
drive our K to a national meet, to see in the flesh(Sheet metal) the letter
cars you just don't see any other way, to meet so many people in the club
that I feel I know but have never met and Learn alot about the cars.
> Anyone out there care to tackle this question/ comment?
>
> Joe Pierce jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:49:52 -0600
From: "JONES,DOUG (A-USA,ex3)" <doug_jones@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: 300K- The Forgotten Letter Car?
Hi Kelly,
Unfortunately, a certain amount of tunnel vision comes with the car hobby.
From a parts reproduction point of view, the point has already been made
that it is all in the numbers. Components that were used for one year only
(never mind which) pose real challenges in terms of break-even volumes and
pricing. From a broader perspective, it certainly seems to me that the Club
has a kind of unspoken heierarchy, that being
Real 300's are the '55 to '58 models cuz they had hemi engines or
Real 300's are the '55 to '61 models cuz the series 300 had not
happened yet or
Real 300's are the '55 to '65 letter models and the Hurst model but
not the rest or ...
and so on. Personally, I have had (since 1974) a '63 Pace Car convertible,
which the Club does not officially recognize as even being a '300.' I find
all this rather silly. To me, if Chrysler said it is a 300, it is one. And
I like them all, but not for the same reasons. I enjoy the flair and
excitement of the Exner cars, and I like the dignity and clean lines of the
Engle cars. For me (we are all allowed our own opinions), the juxtaposition
of the two in the '63-4 cars made it the best looking design of the lot.
Others don't agree, of course. Which is why we don't all try to marry the
same person and live in the same house!
An advantage of your K is that much of the body trim was also used on the
more common Chryslers. The rear bumper surround piece, for instance, was on
all '63-4 cars. So you might be better served to go to a general MoPar
hobby organization that caters to all the models. Critical mass is a lot
easier when you can include New Yorkers and Newports!
For the parts that are unique to the '64 300 model, like the wheel cover
medallion, you are in the same fix as the 'E' owner who checked in. These
are tough to find and difficult to justify making reproductions of. Again,
though, if your search base includes the series cars, your chances improve
significantly. Our E owner does not have that advantage - ANY '59 Chrysler
is thin on the ground and most of the trim was used for one year only!
Cheers,
Doug
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From: Kelly Pierce [mailto:jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:32 PM
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Chrysler300] 300K- The Forgotten Letter Car?
I have been a club member since 1983 when I finally managed to buy a letter
car. Since that time I have watched as the club has gone with quite a few
projects- all seem to be for the earlier letter cars, 62 H seems to be the
cut-off year. I realize some consider the K to be a weak sister in
comparison to the earlier cars due to Chrysler making many standard
equipment items options on the K as a way to boost sales- which they did.
But with the larger numbers of the K why is it and its owners ignored in the
projects for reproduction parts projects? A few items come to mind- The
chrome trim between the tail lights, sill plates and wheel cover centers.
Even with the availability of parts from non-letter 300's , New Yorker etc.
these parts sources are rapidly drying up, as even these cars are now 37
years young. Even here in Montana where there are yards that don't crush the
older cars the parts are drying up.
I have not been able to attend a meet due to a number of factors,
Finances being the primary difficulty. I have finally got the K HT Painted,
Bumpers re-chromed etc. Next up is replacing the leather and carpeting. All
this is done on a slim budget that comes from working in Law Enforcement- A
career I love but you will never get rich doing it! One of our goals is to
drive our K to a national meet, to see in the flesh(Sheet metal) the letter
cars you just don't see any other way, to meet so many people in the club
that I feel I know but have never met and Learn alot about the cars.
Anyone out there care to tackle this question/ comment?
Joe Pierce jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:55:03 -0400
From: "Jess" <jdmiklas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Tie Thong
SIR JETT:
Still no word on that camera. DID See on CNN that YOUR "Beloved Neck Wrap" was prominently featured on page 16 of the new CLUB NEWS.
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:52:51 -0500
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Bowers e-mail?
I've lost an e-mail address for Tim Bowers who has a restoration shop in
Washington state currently finishing a C convertible.
Anyone happen to have his address? Reply privately to me please
Thanks, Wayne
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:57:49 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: reply re: recognized cars
Hi Joe,
Heck, I'll stick my neck out and respond, since nobody else has done so yet. Means others more intelligent than me, probably.
With regards to your statement:
"From a broader perspective, it certainly seems to me that the Club has a kind of unspoken heierarchy, that being :
Real 300's are the '55 to '58 models cuz they had hemi engines or
Real 300's are the '55 to '61 models cuz the series 300 had not happened yet or
Real 300's are the '55 to '65 letter models and the Hurst model but not the rest or ... "
Well, you're certainly correct about the latter. Our Club, indeed is " a group of enthusiasts committed to the preservation, restoration and enjoyment of Chrysler 300 Letter Series automobiles, 1955-1965 and the 1970 300 Hurst. " ( this taken from the Club's pamphlet and Web site ) . These are the vehicles we recognize, and no others.
This is not meant to be a "snub" to other 300's and their owners, but these cars, from the '62 300 Sport on, are NOT within the scope of our Club, and have never been meant to be.
Now, we do have quite a few owners of non-lettered 300's within our ranks. Some have Letter cars as well. Some don't. These non-lettered cars are not eligible for concours or trophies at our meets. But I do believe that many of their owners choose to pay their dues and remain in the Club because they do get something out of membership - be it technical help, parts information, or just the camaraderie experienced at our meets.
You also say:
Personally, I have had (since 1974) a '63 Pace Car convertible, which the Club does not officially recognize as even being a '300.' I find all this rather silly.
That is not quite true. We ( the Club ) do not recognize the 63 300 and all other similar cars BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WHAT OUR CLUB IS ALL ABOUT . We certainly do not say that your '63 Pace Car is not a 300 !
Unfortunately for owners of non-lettered 300's, be they 62 300 Sport models even those with the 300H package, or '63 Pace Cars, or 79 300's for that matter, there is no Club specifically addressing their needs and wants. Those cars are recognised by the Chrysler 300 Club Inc. as well as Letter Series 300's, so maybe you should consider joining this organisation as well. Quite a few of us are dual members, and each Club has something different to offer to its members. Also, some of us belong to WPC and NCPC and other Clubs.
Finally, please consider this: The Letter Series 300's are all Milestone Cars, and for a good reason - small production numbers, exclusive high priced multi-carbureted cars for the most part. Total production of the 55 thru 65 equals 14,268 units. That's for all ELEVEN years of production ( and not counting the 486 Hursts )
Now look at the production numbers for the non lettered 300's:
1962 = 25455 !
1963 = 24665 !
1964 = 25318 !
1965 = 27678 !
1966 = 49597 !
1967 = 21888 !
1968 = 34621 !
1969 = 32472 !
1970 = 21007 !
1971 = 13939 !
( and I don't have figures for the 1979 300 )
That's a total of 276,640 cars . They might be nice cars, but they are certainly not as exclusive as the Letter Series 300's.
John
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:31:23 -0500
From: "Timothy Tomlinson" <tomlin@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: The forgotten K
1. I have really enjoyed several series of discussions on the site since getting into the electronics. The new one about the forgotten K hits a button with me so I have to respond.
2. I have two 300-K's. If I had it all to do over again, I still would want at least one K. However, I too have seen the problems associated with them. However, I don't feel that means they are forgotten. They are cursed by being too young and yet too old. Too young for much to be reproduced and too old for much remaining unique NOS to be reasonably available. I long ago realized several rules, beyond the one that says you will spend several times more money restoring one than its worth. It is done for the love of the car--for its lines, feel, nostalia or whatever.
3. Early this week I did mail ( the old style with postage stamp) a letter to George Riehl suggesting the reproduction of the windshield washer bag and pump. I think they were used on other than just '64's, but am not sure. However, while I would also like new/very good pot metal trim across the back (unique to '64) I would likely not pay the amount needed to reproduce that item.
4. I fix what I can, try to get to a solid number 3 condition so as to not be too much an embarassment to others, and drive and enjoy my cars for road machines.
5. Maybe one day others will appreciate them as much as I and they may be worth enough in the market that more items will be reproduced. I am thankful for what has been done so far by Gary Goers, Legendary Auto Interiors, etc. I had to wait a number of years for Legendary to make a good (but not perfect) reproduction vinyl seat ( and then they aren't real cheap for a full set, but well worth the money).
Please don't wait for a car to be perfect--it may never be and is personally enjoyable at some stage less than perfection.
Tim
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:20:35 -0400
From: Randolph Harrison <rharrison.mopar@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Virginia Chrysler Classic
Is anyone planning on going to the Chrysler Classic at Virginia
Motorsports Park in Dinwiddie (dragstrip is just south of Richmond, VA)?
300ly,
Randy Harrison
Suffolk, VA
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